31 of 53 teenage girls from polygamist sect have been pregnant...

[hmsram]

Here is the article I was reading.

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I do not understand how in any religion anywhere it can be thought as ok for minors to be pregnant and bearing children "possibley" by men who are way older. If it is found that these older men have been fathering these childrens children, how can anyone ever think this right...

I feel so bad for all these children, I just can not imagine what they will have to go through....

I will keep these children all in my prayers...

[catcreger]

very disturbing to hear things like this, especially when it has to do with children, parents are suppose tp protect their young. may god have mercy on these children for what they are enduring .

[FUNdamental]

The problem with striving for multiple wives is the next wife is usually always younger, and in most cases, teenagers. Read newspaper reports about the polygamist communities of Colorado City, AZ and Hilldale, UT; teenage boys are routinely physically and mentally abused to try and get them out of the colonies so the elders can assign the teenage girls for marriage to themselves. Utah, using tax payer money, has had to put up several shelters for teenage boys banished from polygamist communities. These boys have been banished for such offenses as asking a girl for a date, playing video games, watching the wrong television shows-anything to get them off the compound and away from the girls' sights. The elders know teenage boys are marriage or sexual partner competition, so they just get rid of the ones they see as a possible blockade to their desired next wife or sexual partner. The facts that the Mormon Church has used only rhetoric against these cults, and Senators Orin Hatch and John McCain have blockaded federal investigation of these communities is really shameful.

[mrbowler]

Originally Posted by FUNdamental

Senators Orin Hatch and John McCain have blockaded federal investigation of these communities is really shameful.

Can you expand on this statement? TIA

[mrbowler]

I'd like to know more about some of the issues involved. For example I remember hearing a reporter on tv saying that the reason the sect picked Texas was prob. due to the statement that Texas does not require birth or death certificates-I have not verified that this is accurate. Another item which concerns myself is whether the entire invasion(not sure if that is a good choice of words) was based on a hoax(false witness)?

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p.s. I'm prob. behind the news on this story.

[FUNdamental]

Originally Posted by mrbowler

Can you expand on this statement? TIA

Colorado City, AZ, and Hildale, UT, are known large polygamist communities. Rowenna Erickson, a victim, researcher and activist said "If Senator Hatch is supporting Utah's Attorney General Mark Shurleff's Safety Net Program, then there is a good chance federal funding is being used to enable polygamy and its crimes."

Bob Curran, director of an anti-polygamy group in St. George called Help the Child Brides, asked Senator Hatch if he knew girls as young as 13 and 14 were being forced into marriages with older men living in the nearby twin polygamous towns of Hildale, Utah, and Colorado City, Ariz. "I wouldn't throw accusations around unless you know they're true," Hatch cautioned Curran and another speaker, Sonja Blancke, who also questioned the senator on his position.

"I'm not here to justify polygamy," Hatch said. "All I can say is, I know people in Hildale who are polygamists who are very fine people. You come and show me evidence of children being abused there and I'll get involved. Bring the evidence to me."

Look at the horrific Babyland issue [unmarked children's graves in the Fundamentalist Church of Later Day Saints (FLDS) canyonlands], John McCain, has ignored the crimes of building secret graves, and even takes campaign contributions from Mohave County ARIZONA where the FLDS is headquartered.

Also, Senator McCain has responded to constituent's letters requesting investigation into the Colorado City ARIZONA polygamy compound by writing that it is a UTAH issue not ARIZONA or FEDERAL issue. I believe the term "passing the buck" works here.

[mrbowler]

Originally Posted by FUNdamental

Look at the horrific Babyland issue [unmarked children's graves in the Fundamentalist Church of Later Day Saints (FLDS) canyonlands], John McCain, has ignored the crimes of building secret graves, and even takes campaign contributions from Mohave County ARIZONA where the FLDS is headquartered.

Also, Senator McCain has responded to constituent's letters requesting investigation into the Colorado City ARIZONA polygamy compound by writing that it is a UTAH issue not ARIZONA or FEDERAL issue. I believe the term "passing the buck" works here.

Interesting-Looks like a good issue to go after McCain with. Sort of like the Reverend story for Obama. Do you have a url/link that shows a check written from FLDS to John Mccain campaign? I was able to locate what I believe you had said about McCain below:

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[mrbowler]

Originally Posted by FUNdamental

Also, Senator McCain has responded to constituent's letters requesting investigation into the Colorado City ARIZONA polygamy compound by writing that it is a UTAH issue not ARIZONA or FEDERAL issue. I believe the term "passing the buck" works here.

I don't understand how McCain would view this as only a Utah issue-according to a couple articles I've read:

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"The FLDS church, headed by Jeffs after his father's death in 2002, broke away from the Mormon church after the latter disavowed polygamy more than a century ago"

"Attorneys for the church and church leaders said Barlow was in Colorado City, Ariz., and had been in contact with law enforcement officials there"

"Jeffs is jailed in Kingman, Ariz., where he awaits trial for four counts each of incest and sexual conduct with a minor stemming from two arranged marriages between teenage girls and their older male relatives"

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Welfare, Food Stamp Abuse

Saw this on Anderson 360

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I’ve been following the money for about two years now and I have some bad news for you: It seems you, the taxpayer, may be helping finance this polygamist sect and Jeffs’ FLDS church.

How, you ask?

Here’s what I know: Investigators and former followers tell me the sect is beating the welfare system in a couple of ways. Some members are applying for food stamps, then sending that food to Jeffs’ compounds around the country, including the recently-raided compound in Texas.

Also, because the laws in this country only recognize one of their multiple marriages as legal, the other wives are apparently claiming to be single moms struggling to care for a house full of dependents. This makes them eligible for government aid, and lots of it. They are on welfare and you are footing the bill!

[FUNdamental]

[quote=mrbowler;982706]I don't understand how McCain would view this as only a Utah issue-according to a couple articles I've read:

McCain has a history of simplifying an issue and injecting superfluous information to the point where his statements become misleading. By claiming polygamy is "a Utah issue" he is projecting the problem away from his own state, and giving tacit approval to the sects in other states, sans Utah.

Look how many times on the campaign trail he claimed Romney, like Hillary Clinton, wants to immediately pull out of Iraq and wave the white flag, surrendering to the terrorists. Romney nor Clinton never said "immediate" pull out, just a more diplomatic plan that had pull out in its goals.
Ira Goldman wrote an excellent piece on the simplification and distortion on McCain's latest attack on Obama. He wrote;

At a press conference here, I just asked John McCain about why he keeps talking about Obama's alleged willingness to talk to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who has no power over Iranian foreign policy, rather than Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, who does. He said that Ahmadinejad is the guy who represents Iran in international forums like the United Nations, which is a fair point. When I followed with the observation that the Supreme Leader is, uh, the Supreme Leader, McCain responded that the "average American" thinks Ahmadinejad is the boss.
Let's be clear: Iran has a very complex system of government with varying institutions, but at the top of it sits Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who essentially has only accountable to the Council of Guardians made up of clerics, many of whom are appointed by Khamenei. So, Ahmadinejad is not the leader. And as the Council on Foreign Relations explains, especially in the area of foreign policy, Ahmadinejad has very little influence.

On top of that as Klein points out, the president's job is to educate the public on questions of policy. So if the "average American" thinks that Ahmadinejad is the ultimate leader of Iran, it's up to the president to dissuade them of this notion -- not reinforce it. Back in 2002 more then half of Americans thought Saddam was responsible for 9/11 and President Bush did nothing to disprove this assumption (In fact, while never directly claiming that Saddam was responsible for 9/11 the administration did everything it could to reinforce the notion).