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Why Mahmoud Abbas is the Beast of Revelation 13.

The most important issue that must be resolved in discovering the meaning of
Revelation 13 is which people are being discussed. If the wrong people are
associated with the prophecies of Revelation 13 its answer can never be found.
The people being referred to in Revelation 13 are the Palestinians. Once this is
decided three questions have to be answered; why, how and who.

Why do the Palestinian people lack the ability to buy and sell?
Due to the Hamas takeover of the Palestinian Government, Western Aid was
discontinued.

How will the Palestinian people receive funds in order to buy and sell?
Through a program called the Temporary International Mechanism that bypasses
the Hamas controlled Palestinian Authority. This program was established on
Friday June 16, 2006. This date 6/16/06 represents the day that one man was
allowed to administer a program that paid the salaries of his people.
This is an
amazing coincidence. There are only three days in ten years that end with three
sixes; June 6, June 16, and June 26.

Who will provide these salaries to the Palestinians?
Western Aid was resumed through the office of Mahmoud Abbas due to the
Temporary International Mechanism.

Also, what group will be prevented from getting money because they did not
receive the mark?
Hamas.

The mark of Mahmoud Abbas was issued in the Palestinian Presidential Election
of January 2005. To prevent double voting an indelible ink mark was applied to the
right hand of all voters. Since Hamas boycotted these elections their members
never received the mark. Revelation 13:16 states that he caused all, small and
great, rich and poor, and free and bond to receive a mark in their right hand or in
their foreheads. Simply by being a candidate, Mahmoud Abbas caused his
people to receive the mark. Anyone who voted, either for him, or against him, were
there because of him.

Hamas will not honor the image of Mahmoud Abbas, therefore all salaries are
being given to Fatah, the party of Mahmoud Abbas. The image is what the
Palestinian Authority under Mahmoud Abbas represents.
This image of Abbas is required by the international community to continue peace
talks with Israel. This image is three items. These are the renunciation of terror,
the honoring of all prior Palestinian agreements, and the recognition of Israel,
which can also be expressed as the acceptance of the two-state solution based
on the 1967 borders. If these ideas are not followed, honored or worshipped;
those individuals will be killed. This is happening to Hamas daily.

I added the word worshipped here because that is the word used by the King James
Bible translators.It also means to honor.


So here is the sum of the matter. Mahmoud Abbas, in his name, was allowed to
pay his people through a program created on a date that ended in three sixes.
He was elected to his people by popular vote and caused his people to take a
mark. This mark was given to everyone, even those in Israeli jails, who voted.
Christians were always taught these basic principles except, I have linked the
number 666 with his name, while prior teaching had the mark as 666 engraved.


Lastly, why is it important that these facts be stated?
The reason is fulfilled prophecy written centuries ago can only mean one thing.
The author of that prophecy has to be God.
Also, it distinguishes
between a true and a false religion. These are the two most important issues in
this writing. May your faith be stronger. The blessings of God to all who
understand. WOE

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Does anyone agree with this end-times scenario?
The silence here is deafening. Ephraim
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Re: The Beast of Revelation 13

I don't believe in Revelations. Of all of the Bible, I find Revelations the least credible. The problem with Revelations is that it encourages people to look forward to the end of the world because that's when Jesus is supposed to return. The problem with this is that Revelations ends up becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. So "the Beast" ends up being anyone who fits the role. I'm sure back in World War II, Hitler fit that role well; as did Stallin; or Saddam Hussein. If you go backwards in time, there are countless tyrants who people thought had to be the anti-Christ, but guess what? The world apparently didn't end then and it's not ending now. One day, the Earth will die - this is just the way of the Universe. I do not think it will be as a result of a cataclysmic supernatural battle though and I do not think it'd mark the end of human existence. A lot of religions talk about the end of the world, but I'd prefer to think they are metaphorical.

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Cally---I would like to be able answer you. i am studying the revelation book right now since I am working on becoming a Jehovah's witness. I am going to ask my mom who is a witness your question and get back to you.
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Cally---I would like to be able answer you. i am studying the revelation book right now since I am working on becoming a Jehovah's witness. I am going to ask my mom who is a witness your question and get back to you.
I really did not think she asked a question. She said she didn't believe in the
book of Revelation. That for me is the end of the discussion.

I am a messenger and I came here to deliver this message. Also, to answer
a few questions. I am more concerned with its delivery than I am in
convincing skeptics. Not everyone can receive it. If a question is asked I do
my best to answer. I have found out over the years that it is useless most of
the time to argue a point. It is better to lay it out there for intelligent people
to ponder and let them decide. It might sound cold but it is reality. Ephraim
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Re: The Beast of Revelation 13

you made a good point.
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Lightbulb An intelligent question and answer

Question:
The beast of Revelation 13 is associated with various items by which
he can be identified. One of these is:

" And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies,
and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months".


How did Mahmoud Abbas fulfill this prophecy? How would you fit the 42
months time period, as used by John, in the life of Mahmoud Abbas?


Answer:
Mahmoud Abbas does not fulfill this 42 month prophecy, Yasser Arafat does.
The first beast of Revelation and the little horn was Yasser Arafat. The 42
months were fulfilled in the first three and a half years of the Oslo
Accords. This happened between 1993 and 1997. Negotiations were going
well and both sides were making progress during this time. Arafat's leadership
seemed to be providing results as Israel continued to transfer
land and security control back to the Palestinians. In the second half of the
seven years that ended in Sept. 2000, the good will began to break down
and terrorism stifled the whole process. The second intifada started, shortly
after the failure at Camp David, and not much has happened every since.

Naturally, when Yasser Arafat died in November of 2004, he had to be
replaced. Mahmoud Abbas became that replacement. He stepped into the
position of the first beast simply by being elected Palestinian President.
The second beast of Revelation entered the picture when Hamas won the
the elections of Jan. 2006. When Hamas won the election, the Government
of the Palestinian Authority became the two-horned second beast. These
two horns represent two kings within the same Palestinian Authority that do
not agree on the image of Mahmoud Abbas.
This image of Mahmoud Abbas and his Government are three issues that
represent the old Palestinian Authority. These must be implemented to allow
a peace process to continue with Israel. Hamas must recognize Israel,
abide by old agreements and renounce terrorism. This is the image of Abbas;
the second beast of Revelation. If these ideas are not followed, honored or
worshipped; those individuals will be killed. This is happening to Hamas daily.

I added the word worshipped here because that is the word used by the King
James Bible translators. It also means to honor.


Now combined with the first post, beyond a shadow of a doubt, Abbas is
that second beast and he has fulfilled the prophecy of 666 as I have described.
Thanks for your question, anonymous

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Hello all,
I have added more information to my original post.
Nothing much has changed it is just a little better read.
Thanks for checking it out. I see the numbers are increasing.
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To anyone searching for a logical answer to Bible Prophecy, this letter is for You.

I would like to make a couple things very clear before I begin. These are interpretations from a Christian perspective. They are not intended in any way to be antisemitic. Furthermore, I believe the Jewish people have every right to live within secure boundaries and be independent.

In general, this is a letter that summarizes all of Revelation 13. Its purpose is to show the sequence of events which formed the conclusions in the letter entitled, "The Beast of Revelation 13 is Mahmoud Abbas." Revelation 13 is a puzzle, a parable whose pieces are only revealed through the progress of time. This letter will attempt to bring all the pieces together into one narrative. Since questions concerning prophecy never change and answers never change, this summary will answer almost any question.

Nevertheless, I will continue to be in disagreement with the majority because they do not have the will or the knowledge to admit they promote a false interpretation. The interpretation I am eluding to is the Revived Roman Empire theory. This scenario has been a dead end for years. I must admit though before WWI it had some validity. No ancient interpreter could have known that the Ottoman Empire would break into so many different sovereign states. Until the fall of the Ottoman empire the only possible answer seemed to be Europe. I apologize if this narrative moves too fast. It is assumed that those reading this page are somewhat versed in Revelation. HERE WE GO.

In reference to Revelation 13:1- The Beast rising up out of the sea is the Nation of Israel as it appears after the SIX DAY WAR in 1967.

What is meant by the term Beast? In general, most interpretations have this concept correct. According to most scholars he is the leader of ten nations. When the term Beast is used it can mean either the nations or the leader of those nations. It is the countries he leads and his location that is in dispute.

My interpretation of Rev. 13:1 is as follows:

The Beast can be either a group of seven nations that will wage war, which include Israel or the leader of those nations. In this case, that leader is Mahmoud Abbas. He is identified by his actions and the number 666. The glue that binds them together is Islam and their hate for Israel. This was the outcome of the 1967 war. It brought Israel into a permanent state of conflict with all of her neighbors. The beast was born in 1948 with Israel declaring its independence. A closer look can be seen in Rev.17. When Israel declared its independence, five nations went to war with her and five were vanquished. The word used for vanquished is fallen in verse Rev. 17:10. "And one is", this is Israel. Israel won her war of independence. The other that had not yet come is the Palestinian Authority, which brings us to Rev.13:1 again. The misinterpretation of Rev.17 has been the most responsible for the the Revived Roman empire theory.

The beast rising up out of the sea having seven heads and ten horns is as follows. Seven heads are seven mountains as indicated in Rev.17. Ten horns are ten kings. This is a partial explanation of this parable. The most critical word here is the word head. If the correct meaning is applied to the word head its answer will make sense. In scriptures a mountain has two meanings. It can be either a mountain range or a nation. In this case when a head is referenced in Revelation 13:1 we are talking about nations. This applies to both the heads of Rev.13:1 as well as the beasts mortal head wound. The mortal head wound is the nation or land as claimed by the Palestinians. It is the beasts head (nation) that is wounded. The Beast is Mahmoud Abbas. It was mortally wounded in the Six Day War and has been revived in the Oslo Accords. The beast of Revelation 17 and Revelation 13 are the same because they involve the same countries.

Every theory must have a good foundation. This sequence of events can only point to one individual. I have been writing about these events for over a decade. If I had been wrong from the beginning, this scenario could not have made it all the way to its finish. As it was I had no idea that I was looking for a date, 6/16/06. I was just following the money trail. Was it a coincidence that the policy which enabled them to buy and sell and the date 666 occurred on the same day? I don't think so.

It is always wise to search for the best answer. Who could fault someone for changing there mind when a better answer comes along? It is not dishonor to correct a mistake, but to continue giving false information especially in the realm of prophecy is dishonorable. Maybe some truly believe what they are saying, as for me I quit the big money preachers long ago. A hundred years ago I could understand, 20 years ago I could understand, not today...This is why the Lord will come as a thief. They're all looking in the wrong place...

One last item needs to be mentioned here before I finish my complaint against our so-called prophecy teachers. It is a gross misinterpretation which needs to be cited. For some reason anytime the Beast is discussed he is immediately confused with Satan or the antichrist. Satan is not the Beast. He is in heaven right now. He will be cast out of heaven as per Revelation 12 or if you prefer 2nd Thess. chap. 2. The falling away is Satan and his angels being cast out of heaven. These are two different verses that say the same thing. Satan can only be revealed to the world after the Rapture of the Church. Christians will not go through the Great Tribulation which will last for 3.5 years. Satan will be a God to the Muslims. He is also known as the Mahdi. Mahmoud Abbas will also be worshipped to a lesser degree because he will have achieved his goal, the conquest of Jerusalem...Ephraim aka michael777

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Re: The Beast of Revelation 13

lol on all of you; the number of the beast isn't even 666
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Re: The Beast of Revelation 13

actually in the bible it says that 666 is given to the devil. Here is some information from the watchertower society of Jehovah's witnesses

John now sees how Satan maneuvers the political parts of his visible organization to cause the maximum suffering for the remaining ones of the seed of God’s woman. (Genesis 3:15) He returns to describing “the wild beast” itself: “And it puts under compulsion all persons, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the slaves, that they should give these a mark in their right hand or upon their forehead, and that nobody might be able to buy or sell except a person having the mark, the name of the wild beast or the number of its name. Here is where wisdom comes in: Let the one that has intelligence calculate the number of the wild beast, for it is a man’s number; and its number is six hundred and sixty-six.”—Revelation 13:16-18.

33 The wild beast has a name, and this name is a number: 666. Six, as a number, is associated with Jehovah’s enemies. A Philistine man of the Rephaim was of “extraordinary size,” and his “fingers and toes were in sixes.” (1*Chronicles 20:6) King Nebuchadnezzar erected a golden image 6 cubits in breadth and 60 cubits high, to unify his political officials in one worship. When God’s servants refused to worship the image of gold, the king had them thrown into a fiery furnace. (Daniel 3:1-23) The number six falls short of seven, which stands for completeness from God’s standpoint. Therefore, a triple six represents gross imperfection.

34 A name identifies a person. So how does this number identify the beast? John says that it “is a man’s number,” not that of a spirit person, so the name helps to confirm that the wild beast is earthly, symbolizing human government. Just as six fails to measure up to seven, so 666—six to the third degree—is a fitting name for the world’s gigantic political system that fails so miserably to measure up to God’s standard of perfection. The world’s political wild beast rules supreme under the name-number 666, while big politics, big religion, and big business keep that wild beast functioning as an oppressor of mankind and a persecutor of God’s people.
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There will be a false prophet (anti-pope) of the vatican who willl apostasize from the Catholic faith and he will pave the way for the anti-christ who will be Jewish and will be hailed as the long awaited Jewish Messiah. St Francis of Assisi warned along time ago that their would be an anti-pope. This false prophet will bring people into a one world religion under anti-christ. This is being achieved by false ecumensim and interfaith meetings. The Novus Ordo is leading everyone into the one world church under the guise of peace but it's a false peace. Traditional Catholics, like myself, are fighting against it.
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I am not familiar at all with what you are saying. All I really know is what Jehovah's witnesses believe because I just got baptized as one a month ago.
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There will be a false prophet (anti-pope) of the vatican who willl apostasize from the Catholic faith and he will pave the way for the anti-christ who will be Jewish and will be hailed as the long awaited Jewish Messiah. St Francis of Assisi warned along time ago that their would be an anti-pope. This false prophet will bring people into a one world religion under anti-christ. This is being achieved by false ecumensim and interfaith meetings. The Novus Ordo is leading everyone into the one world church under the guise of peace but it's a false peace. Traditional Catholics, like myself, are fighting against it.
That's one of my disagreements with Catholicism. They revere too many
people. Instead of quoting knowledge from the Bible, it appears that you
give more weight to the words of a 12th century Catholic Saint. This man
was making a prediction based on Bible scripture. It was only a prediction.
Since we are alive to witness the events, wouldn't it be much better to
trust our own eyes? If you or I were alive in the 12th century we wouldn't
even be allowed to read scripture. The voices that told Christians what to
believe were much fewer back then. I thank God for people like Martin
Luther and all those who fought for a person's individual right to read and
interpret for themselves. We can't possibly know everything, but when we
arrive at our final destination we can at least say we tried...Ephraim
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