conservative sherrif criticizes Minutemen, calls for comprehensive approach to immigr

[blueaguave]

Joe Arpaio, who I know to be a very no-nonsense law and order sherrif from my days of living in Phoenix, has asked the Minutemen to leave and allow Border Patrol to do their jobs. He also rightly pointed out that comprehensive immigration reforms, guest worker programs, etc need to be implemented. He said people complain about the illegals, then who do they hire to water the lawn, etc?
He emphatically stated Minutemen are causing more problems than they are solving. The host, Sean Hannity, seemed flabbergasted and at a loss for words. The usually tricks of calling someone a bleeding heart liberal can't be applied to Joe Arpaio.

[mrbowler]

Originally Posted by blueaguave

He said people complain about the illegals, then who do they hire to water the lawn, etc?
He emphatically stated Minutemen are causing more problems than they are solving. The host, Sean Hannity, seemed flabbergasted and at a loss for words. The usually tricks of calling someone a bleeding heart liberal can't be applied to Joe Arpaio.

That may be true that people complain, but companies employ illegals to water the lawn because they are willing to do the job at a lower wage. The customer doesn't do the hiring. Regarding the Minutemen-as citizens they can do whatever they want so long as they don't break the law-i.e. violence. If they report violations to Border Patrol seems that the noisy wheel will get some attention..How much time have they had to resolve this?? Maybe illegal aliens should be considered Economic Terrorists?
You always hear that they just want to come to the United States to live the American Dream..um how many are locked up in prisons, involved in gang activity. It's time to apply pressure on the Mexican government to correct corruption, flawed policies that make the situation worse.

[blueaguave]

Originally Posted by mrbowler

That may be true that people complain, but companies employ illegals to water the lawn because they are willing to do the job at a lower wage. The customer doesn't do the hiring. Regarding the Minutemen-as citizens they can do whatever they want so long as they don't break the law-i.e. violence. If they report violations to Border Patrol seems that the noisy wheel will get some attention..How much time have they had to resolve this?? Maybe illegal aliens should be considered Economic Terrorists?
You always hear that they just want to come to the United States to live the American Dream..um how many are locked up in prisons, involved in gang activity. It's time to apply pressure on the Mexican government to correct corruption, flawed policies that make the situation worse.

I agree with some of your points, that is what Arpaio is saying, comprehensive reform. A bunch of unemployed drifters from San Diego County running around the border is NOT going to help.
Also, Vicente Fox is the first non-PRI (Socialist) candidate EVER elected in modern Mexican history, ending decades of one party rule (he was elected on the PAN center-right free market party line). He is trying to reform things, but there is still an entrenched bureacracy that he cannot do away with overnight. Ironically, Fox is considered a traitor and sell-out to the USA by many left-wing and even centrist Mexican commentators, while at the same time many in America criticize him for not doing enough. Fox is trying to reform Mexican society so that it will become a dynamic free enterprise system, that way Mexicans can have jobs at home.
Meanwhile, Bush, being from Texas, full well knew that there was a very successfull guest worker program for many years that was abrubtly dropped. It allowed an orderly flow. Bush promised to resurrect it, then caved to public pressure.

[blueaguave]

Originally Posted by mrbowler

Maybe illegal aliens should be considered Economic Terrorists?

maybe we're the economic terrorists for exploiting these people? The Republican politicians talk tough on immigration, but do nothing so that big business doesn't get mad. As I have pointed out numerous times, there are intelligent solutions in the middle. One doesn't need to be a brainless politically correct liberal who won't admit that SOME of the illegals are criminals. Obviously, some are and need to be dealt with. AT the same time, the GOP politicians are hypocrites who don't really wan't to change anything either.
Mark my words, more commonsense state/local level Republicans like Arpaio are going to start questioning this absurd choice of 2 extremes. In that sense, the Minutemen did some good by sparking renewed debate

[mrbowler]

Originally Posted by blueaguave

Fox is trying to reform Mexican society so that it will become a dynamic free enterprise system, that way Mexicans can have jobs at home.
Meanwhile, Bush, being from Texas, full well knew that there was a very successfull guest worker program for many years that was abrubtly dropped. It allowed an orderly flow. Bush promised to resurrect it, then caved to public pressure.

I haven't followed the actions that Fox has done to reform the mexican society, but would be glad to read. I just think the current administration for some reason is not being tough enough to bring change. Had read about the idea of privatizing the Mexican Oil Industry-bringing in american companies etc.-that seems to be the reason the U.S. continues down the current path. I'm against a guest worker program-that is one of the issues that you & I disagree on. I understand the arguement about 1.8 million agriculture jobs, and how the Food Supply is dependent upon illegal aliens. Personally I think we are selling the American Citizen short.

[mrbowler]

Originally Posted by blueaguave

maybe we're the economic terrorists for exploiting these people? The Republican politicians talk tough on immigration, but do nothing so that big business doesn't get mad. As I have pointed out numerous times, there are intelligent solutions in the middle. One doesn't need to be a brainless politically correct liberal who won't admit that SOME of the illegals are criminals. Obviously, some are and need to be dealt with. AT the same time, the GOP politicians are hypocrites who don't really wan't to change anything either.

I believe it depends on your viewpoint. American Citizens might consider illegal aliens economic terrorists. While American Business considers them a economic blessing.

[mrbowler]

Prison exchange reform:

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"For years, the Mexican government has done nothing but doubletalk on illegal immigration. On the prisoner issue, Mexico very strictly limits the transfer of criminals from prisons in California and other states---yet the Mexican government absurdly insists it has no such limits. Pathetic. According to the California Board of Prison Terms “all other nations accept all of their prisoners for transfer.” All of them. Except for Mexico.

Thus in 2003, Mexico took back only 109 prisoners from the entire United States. Yet 17,500 of California’s prisoners alone are Mexican nationals, including some 14,000 illegal aliens. Moreover, Mexico flatly refuses to take back any prisoner who has managed to lurk in the U.S. for longer than five years

U.S. and California officials are so sick of Mexico’s behavior that proposals are afoot to tweak the various complex treaties between the U.S., Mexico, Canada and Europe, in order to force Mexico to play ball.

It’s not as if wholesale prisoner transfers will occur. Under international treaties, prisoners must volunteer to go home. But at a savings to taxpayers of $31,000 per foreigner per year, we‘ll take any volunteers we can get."

[King Guiness]

All comments are true and the one thing that really stands out in the whole thing is the obvious racism of these whiteboy rednecks. That's what's really going on here!

[mrbowler]

Originally Posted by King Guiness

All comments are true and the one thing that really stands out in the whole thing is the obvious racism of these whiteboy rednecks. That's what's really going on here!

I'm not 100% positive on what a whiteboy redneck might be, but I pulled a pic off the minuteman website.