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Old 10-31-2004, 02:27 PM
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Doesn't anyone actually like Kerry?

More and more interviews I've been hearing, people who are voting for Kerry are just basically voting against Bush.

Is that what the Kerry supporters here are doing? Just voting against Bush?

What's so spectacular about Kerry? I'm guessing nothing. Because when usually when we bring something up against Kerry a supporter just spouts off "Well, Bush did (insert whatever) worse". They can't back Kerry, just bash Bush.

Even Kerry himself spends more time saying what Bush is doing wrong instead of saying what he'll do for us. Except of course his magical "PLAN". (Which never does get explained).

So we're just going to throw a mediocre president into office just to replace another one? I think we should be able to ask for a new set of candidates.

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Old 10-31-2004, 06:37 PM
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Re: Doesn't anyone actually like Kerry?

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More and more interviews I've been hearing, people who are voting for Kerry are just basically voting against Bush.

Is that what the Kerry supporters here are doing? Just voting against Bush?

What's so spectacular about Kerry? I'm guessing nothing. Because when usually when we bring something up against Kerry a supporter just spouts off "Well, Bush did (insert whatever) worse". They can't back Kerry, just bash Bush.

Even Kerry himself spends more time saying what Bush is doing wrong instead of saying what he'll do for us. Except of course his magical "PLAN". (Which never does get explained).

So we're just going to throw a mediocre president into office just to replace another one? I think we should be able to ask for a new set of candidates.
Shainie that's why the two party system IMO is so flawed. Like you said if you don't like Bush you basically have only one other choice to back a winner. So you get a certain percentage that back Kerry, and a certain percentage that are voting against Bush-think I saw it was around 50-50%. While Bush supporters were voting more for Bush.

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Old 10-31-2004, 11:28 PM
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Re: Doesn't anyone actually like Kerry?

You both really nailed it. I have been wondering what is so great about Kerry, probably the same way Kerry supporters wonder why I like President Bush. I don't know why they don't put up candidates that we actually know something about. Where are the truly great men? Aren't there any? President Bush has his flaws, every president will be flawed. But to me Kerry stands for nothing, he is just a way to give a negative vote for Bush.

p.s. if you want to give a negative vote for Bush, vote for Nader!
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Old 10-31-2004, 11:39 PM
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Re: Doesn't anyone actually like Kerry?

Why DO you like Bush? For the life of me, I really don't know.

The truly great men can't afford to run because they aren't rich. That is the what it takes to run for president in this country, being RICH
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Old 11-01-2004, 01:33 AM
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Re: Doesn't anyone actually like Kerry?

Why do I like Bush. He believes in the same things I believe in. Sometimes we have to defend our candidate so much that it's easy to become biased. He is not perfect. But I Believe he has integrity, is honest, strong, humble. I know he is trying to lead this country in the way that is best for our country, and I like that he conciders our needs as the USA without bowing under peer pressure to countries that have had dealings with our enemies. I think that over all he has done a fabulous job in helping our country recover from the blow of September 11th that could have really brought the US to her knees. Over all I think we hardly took a stumble, and are proudly walking with our heads raised, safe and secure in our homelands.

He led our country through some of the worst things that have ever happened in a Presidents career; September 11th, the antrax, the snipers, enron, airline layoffs, the explosion of the space shuttle, and we are going into a Christmas season where they are expecting consumers to be spending quadruple what what has been spent in years. We have recovered.

Kerry promises vague miracles that twist with whomever he is talking to at that time. I think Bush pretty darn near delivered one.
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Old 11-01-2004, 07:09 AM
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Re: Doesn't anyone actually like Kerry?

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and we are going into a Christmas season where they are expecting consumers to be spending quadruple what what has been spent in years.


Where did you hear that? I'll be lucky if I can spend what I did last year.

Anyone else planning on spending quadruple on Christmas?
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Old 11-01-2004, 08:39 AM
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Re: Doesn't anyone actually like Kerry?

You know, I think it might just help to get a little perspective here to imagine just what company you might be keeping depending on who you cast that ballot for. In other words, who will be jumping up and down for joy? OBL (provided that he is still alive)? Sarkawi the Iraqi beheader? Or will it be some of the families of those killed on 9-11 expressing thanks for not abandoning them?

Someone allegedly did a survey that showed that foreign anti-American media outlets support Kerry, pro-American outlets support Bush.

Should there really be any doubt in most anyone's mind here just which choice is the appropriate one?

In the event of a Kerry victory, I hope the American news ferrets have the courage to show the Islamists dancing in the streets and partying up a storm in similar fashion as to that which we were treated in the immediate wake of 9-11.
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Re: Doesn't anyone actually like Kerry?

I like John Kerry. I think he is a SMART man and would make an excellent president.

Here is a cute site:
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Old 11-01-2004, 11:41 AM
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Re: Doesn't anyone actually like Kerry?

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Where did you hear that? I'll be lucky if I can spend what I did last year.

Anyone else planning on spending quadruple on Christmas?
sorry, it was on the news.
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Old 11-01-2004, 11:47 AM
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Re: Doesn't anyone actually like Kerry?

The way I see it, Kerry deserves to be treated the same way Bush was. I have HIGH expectations for Kerry, if he wins. Heck, he promised me the world! I will be scrutinizing his every action, and pointing out the flaws. I will even let you know if he is wearing a "poorly tailored suit."

He may get his chance to put his money where his mouth is. My personal bet is that the Democrat's mantra will be "but he isn't as bad as Bush" as their only defense through the whole 4 years if Kerry is elected, because he is going to fail to deliver on all the promises he has made.
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Re: Doesn't anyone actually like Kerry?

No matter who you are voting for, I just think it is about time that people seem interested in the Democratic process this election. I do hope all registered voters follow through and actually vote! We are blessed to live in a country where we can vote and be part of the decision making of the country we live in. The disagreements that I hear voiced about which candidate is the "right" one to vote for, is all part of the process. What I don't like is the hate that seems to be going on when someone voices their opinion. I don't hate either Presidential candidate. I do agree with one more than the other and that is who I am voting for.

I think President Bush is a good leader. I like the way he has made decisions and has stuck to them. The benefits of some of his decisions will take time. I am willing to wait for the results. We live in a society that likes instant results, but I think the best things in life come to those who wait.

I also don't understand why being rich seems to be a bad word these days. I am not rich, but we do live in a Capitalist country! I do not look to the goverment to give me a job, health insurance, or my retirement. (Socialism) Mr. Kerry seems to be promising all those things, so why wouldn't may people vote for him? I choose to get off the couch and get those things for myself.

We were attacked by those who don't like our freedom. I pray daily for our troops who are fighting to keep this freedom alive. I am voting for a leader who will continue to keep up the fight for freedom.
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Re: Doesn't anyone actually like Kerry?

well said flyforfun!
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Old 11-01-2004, 01:15 PM
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Re: Doesn't anyone actually like Kerry?

I said "They can't back Kerry, just bash Bush."

And luv replies to my question with "Why DO you like Bush? For the life of me, I really don't know."

That is exactly my point. I haven't heard yet specific examples about why Kerry is a better choice. The fact is he's not. It's all about the lesser of 2 evils. (Or the evil of two lessers.)

I trust President Bush. He makes a decision and sticks to his guns - even if it isn't the most popular decision. He doesn't sway in the wind with what's most popular at the time.

Oh - and John Kerry isn't rich. He married into money. It's the insane ketchup queen that is rich.

That's one good thing if Kerry gets elected. SNL and the talk shows are going to have plenty of material for the next 4 years!
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Old 11-01-2004, 01:49 PM
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Um, I don't like him but I think he likes himself.
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Okay...you asked for it....WHY I LIKE KERRY.....

I like John Kerry because of his voting record and what he stands for:

• On the Environment: Kerry has a 96% lifetime rating from the League of Conservation Voters and high ratings from the Sierra Club.
• On Civil Rights: The NAACP and the Human Rights Campaign both gave Kerry a 100% rating.
• On Education: He received a 100% rating from the National School Boards Association in 2002. For the past 8 years, John Kerry has received a 100% rating from the National Education Association.
• On a Woman's Right to Choose: Planned Parenthood gave Kerry a 100% rating.
• On Labor Rights: The AFL-CIO has given John Kerry a 91% lifetime rating, including a 100% rating in 2003.
• On childrens' issues: The Childrens' Defense Fund rates Senator Kerry at 91%

Kerry has a plan to jumpstart job growth right now. This includes a New Jobs Tax Credit, which would provide a payroll tax holiday for new hires in manufacturing, other businesses affected by outsourcing, and small businesses. (I like this idea.)

Kerry will enforce the Clean Water Act so that all Americans can safely enjoy our rivers and lakes. Bush has weakened public health safeguards to benefit polluters.

Kerry will make sure polluters pay to clean up the toxic wastes that they discard which threaten our communities. Bush has slowed cleanups and allowed the “polluter pays” program to expire on his watch.

Kerry will enforce the Clean Air Act, and make sure mercury pollution does not threaten mothers and children. Bush has weakened the Clean Air Act and hasn’t moved effectively to clean up mercury pollution.

Kerry's plan would end tax breaks for companies that move jobs overseas and use the savings to cut the corporate rate by 5 percent, providing a tax cut for 99 percent of taxpaying corporations. (This is a big thing in my area...the local GE office here in MD is shipping a lot of jobs to India.)

Kerry and Edwards have a plan to address the soaring cost of health care that will cut premiums by up to $1,000 and help insure an additional 27 million Americans who don't have health coverage. (This one especially interests me since we are living on one income in my house.)

They will put medical decisions in the hands of doctors and their patients and stop bureaucrats who nothing about medicine from making life and death decisions. (Anyone who has had to deal with this nonsense will appreciate this!)

Unlike Bush's Medicare prescription drug plan that only gives money to pharmaceutical companies, the Kerry-Edwards plan will provide prescription drug relief that allows Americans the discounts available in Canada. (Why not?? We pay too darn much!)

Kerry and Edwards believe that every American deserves the same quality of care that members of Congress receive and will allow every American to enroll in that system.

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