Why the Liberal establishment is losing

[jeskibuff]

Originally Posted by LBSO

don't be blinded by ideology.

That's essentially a non-issue if you're a conservative.

Pretty much everything is in accordance with logic and reason with conservatives. The strong sense of what is right and what is wrong makes it easy to tear apart the arguments of liberals.

But for liberals, being blinded by ideology is their only option. The personal agenda motivates the liberal to do anything in their power to achieve their goals. They will compromise ANYTHING if it helps them to get what they want. This is why liberals have continued with the constant barrage of lies and slander against Bush and all things conservative. They feel threatened by the absolutes of morality and fear they will lose what they most value. They are literally blinded by their ideology, and it ain't a pretty sight!

Their lies are legion...from Mikey Mooron films, to Dan Rather documents, to distortions of statements (such as DUH's repeated attempts to accuse Colin Powell of lying), to accusing Todd Palin of fathering Trig through daughter Bristol.

How can anybody so blatantly accuse others of being liars when they are such liars themselves?? Blinded by ideology, I suppose.

How can liberals be so absolutely STUPID?? Can ANYONE not laugh at Rosie O'Donnell's statement about steel never melting before? How can the Mooron expect to get away with putting so many easily verifiable untruths in his films? How stupid was Dan Rather to not only try to foist bogus documents on Americans, but thereafter insist that they were "fake, but accurate?" OH.MY.GOD!! How can ANYONE trust a President who obviously lied through his entire 8 years in office, but couldn't weasel his way out of one lie because he knew his DNA was on that blue dress? Why were liberals so eager to imprison Scooter Libby for 30 years, yet didn't blink an eye when Sandy Burgler gets CAUGHT red-handed stealing national documents and basically gets a fine and community service!

How can anyone not see bias when movie stars want to push their substandard candidates on their viewing public and refuse to give the quality candidates equal air time, especially when Oprah "claims" to be a champion for women? Why was Mikey Mooron on the Today Show for nearly every day in weeks prior to the 2004 election yet the Swift Boat Veterans were not given any airtime for their side of the story?

With the obvious left-tilting media, the endless lies and distortions, the hatred and the smears...how can anyone conscientously think being a liberal is being a good person WITHOUT being blinded by their ideology??

It truly boggles the mind!

[LBSO]

Pretty much everything is in accordance with logic and reason with conservatives. The strong sense of what is right and what is wrong makes it easy to tear apart the arguments of liberals.

you don't really believe this sputter do you?
Believing that conseratives have the cornerstore on logic and reason and right and wrong is idelogy.

You're watching too much Sean Hannity.

[jeskibuff]

Originally Posted by LSBO

you don't really believe this sputter do you?

Why shouldn't I believe this "sputter"? The evidence supports it OVERWHELMINGLY! To ignore the evidence is being blinded by ideology and it's quite obvious that YOU'RE ignoring it. Your comments reveal you as a liberal. The fact that you're trying to project your "blinded by ideology" meme on conservatives when you yourself are guilty of the act is proof itself!

Originally Posted by LSBO

Believing that conser(v)atives have the cornerstore on logic and reason and right and wrong is idelogy.

Again, there is overwhelming evidence that shows liberals are almost universally lacking the ability to be reasonable, understand logic and even to adhere to basic morals.

Let me elaborate with a few examples:

Liberals are unreasonable...

• To blame Bush for the reaction to the Katrina disaster while conveniently ignoring the colossal failures of Nagin and Blanco is unreasonable beyond all imagination.
• To blame Bush for bringing down the WTC towers and "sending a missile into the Pentagon" is a prime example of Occam's Razor - the inventing of huge conspiracy theories to avoid the most likely possibility that evil terrorists really DID fly planes into buildings

Liberals don't understand logic...

• The best example of this is Rosie O'Donnell's hilarious statement that "steel has never melted before". Not only did she demonstrate what a fool she was when it came to science and history, but it showed that she didn't even understand the basic logic of what her fellow fool liberals were trying to push (that burning jet fuel could not have caused the collapse of the WTC). There are zillions of examples where liberals fail miserably at logic, but Rosie set the stupidity bar at an all-time high mark!

Liberals are amoral...

• The main reason liberals hate conservatives is because they react violently to anything that could threaten their precious amoral agendas. The venomous attacks on Christians and Christianity occur because the unyielding right/wrong absolutes do not fit well with liberals who insist on living as selfishly and recklessly as they want. They want legalization of drugs so they don't get jailed for practicing their preferred method of escape from reality. They'd rather parasite off someone else than work for their own living. They want the freedom to kill babies as frequently as they change sex partners. The list of their selfish agendas is long, which is why Gore, Kerry and Obama have to constantly lie and juggle their positions to get elected: the Democratic party is a collection of many factions, each of which demands their own interest be served.

Originally Posted by LSBO

You're watching too much Sean Hannity.

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a two-fer here. LSBO offers up two great examples of liberal behavior. First of all, we have the "baseless allegation", a tactic liberals are famous for and currently being heavily employed against Sarah Palin! LSBO accuses me of watching too much of Sean Hannity. It's absolutely baseless because I don't watch ANY Sean Hannity, nor do I listen to Rush Limbaugh (not that I find anything wrong with listening to either one). Of course the truth doesn't matter much to LSBO...whether I watch Hannity or not in reality means I watch him in LSBO's fantasy world, doesn't it?

The second part of the two-fer? The projection! LSBO wants to believe that I get all my "talking points" from a conservative spokesperson like Hannity (or Limbaugh). I really don't need any one to feed me information though, as I can think very well on my own, thank you! So why does LSBO need to believe that I have been programmed by Hannity? Because that's how LSBO gets his/her programming...by listening to Error America, Olbermann, Matthews or one of the myriad of liberals there are to choose from.

So why is LSBO's allegation baseless and mine is not? Simple...look at the evidence: any liberal CANNOT carry on an honest debate with a conservative...they just don't have the ability. They rely on "talking points" from their masters and when faced with a tough question, they find themselves out of ammunition. This happens EVERYWHERE! Look at this thread on this very site where our own self-proclaimed "genius" liberal CANNOT answer 11 questions that I ask repeatedly (enumerated in post #11): [Only registered and activated users can see links. Either login above or Register Now]. DUH apparently had not been briefed by Mikey Mooron on any of these questions, so he got an F-minus on this particular test!

There are MANY more examples I could list...here's one from a different site: [Only registered and activated users can see links. Either login above or Register Now] When this fool (Scott) gets confronted with examples that totally shoots down his balloon, all he has to say is "I've got more important things to do than discuss this with you". That's liberalspeak for "what you say makes perfect sense, but it doesn't fit my agenda and I don't have a clue how to rebut it, so rather than admit you're right, I'll pretend I'm too intelligent to talk to you".

This is why Democrats are pushing for the "Fairness" Doctrine. They have the market cornered on TV hosts and movie stars but they can't handle it when conservatives disassemble liberal idiocy. The only POSSIBLE way to win in an argument against a conservative is to SILENCE the conservative, and that's precisely what they're trying to accomplish with the "Fairness" Doctrine. They find themselves incapable of responding to an Ann Coulter or a Thomas Sowell, so their only option is to throw invectives like a monkey throws its pooh.

I have to give kudos to Scott in ONE respect: he hadn't purged my responses. He probably WANTS to, BADLY! If I tried to make a post on Demo cratic Under ground.com that said "I'm a Republican and I'll be voting for John McCain", my post would be deleted immediately and my user ID would be "revoked". Try it for yourself and see what happens! Despite what they say, Democrats really DON'T believe in free speech unless it coincides with their agendas.

So, the evidence is pretty "evident", is it not? In any debate, you either win an argument or concede it to your opponent. When that opponent is painted into a corner and WILL NOT respond because they KNOW they are trapped, rather than admit the truth they will remain silent in hopes that one of their liberal buddies will feed them something they can go on. Unfortunately for them, their salvation never comes. DUH still probably WANTS to have a comeback for each of those 11 questions, but Olbermann/Matthews/Mooron/etc. hasn't come up with one yet that will save him. His intelligence is limited by his source of information - he cannot think for himself. And as LSBO appears to bear all the hallmarks of a liberal, he/she cannot either. The projection occurs when they accuse others of getting information the same way they get theirs. They can only suppose that others do things the way that they do.

[LBSO]

Originally Posted by jeskibuff

Why shouldn't I believe this "sputter"? The evidence supports it OVERWHELMINGLY! To ignore the evidence is being blinded by ideology and it's quite obvious that YOU'RE ignoring it. Your comments reveal you as a liberal. The fact that you're trying to project your "blinded by ideology" meme on conservatives when you yourself are guilty of the act is proof itself!

Again, there is overwhelming evidence that shows liberals are almost universally lacking the ability to be reasonable, understand logic and even to adhere to basic morals.

Let me elaborate with a few examples:

Liberals are unreasonable...

• To blame Bush for the reaction to the Katrina disaster while conveniently ignoring the colossal failures of Nagin and Blanco is unreasonable beyond all imagination.
• To blame Bush for bringing down the WTC towers and "sending a missile into the Pentagon" is a prime example of Occam's Razor - the inventing of huge conspiracy theories to avoid the most likely possibility that evil terrorists really DID fly planes into buildings

Liberals don't understand logic...

• The best example of this is Rosie O'Donnell's hilarious statement that "steel has never melted before". Not only did she demonstrate what a fool she was when it came to science and history, but it showed that she didn't even understand the basic logic of what her fellow fool liberals were trying to push (that burning jet fuel could not have caused the collapse of the WTC). There are zillions of examples where liberals fail miserably at logic, but Rosie set the stupidity bar at an all-time high mark!

Liberals are amoral...

• The main reason liberals hate conservatives is because they react violently to anything that could threaten their precious amoral agendas. The venomous attacks on Christians and Christianity occur because the unyielding right/wrong absolutes do not fit well with liberals who insist on living as selfishly and recklessly as they want. They want legalization of drugs so they don't get jailed for practicing their preferred method of escape from reality. They'd rather parasite off someone else than work for their own living. They want the freedom to kill babies as frequently as they change sex partners. The list of their selfish agendas is long, which is why Gore, Kerry and Obama have to constantly lie and juggle their positions to get elected: the Democratic party is a collection of many factions, each of which demands their own interest be served.

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a two-fer here. LSBO offers up two great examples of liberal behavior. First of all, we have the "baseless allegation", a tactic liberals are famous for and currently being heavily employed against Sarah Palin! LSBO accuses me of watching too much of Sean Hannity. It's absolutely baseless because I don't watch ANY Sean Hannity, nor do I listen to Rush Limbaugh (not that I find anything wrong with listening to either one). Of course the truth doesn't matter much to LSBO...whether I watch Hannity or not in reality means I watch him in LSBO's fantasy world, doesn't it?

The second part of the two-fer? The projection! LSBO wants to believe that I get all my "talking points" from a conservative spokesperson like Hannity (or Limbaugh). I really don't need any one to feed me information though, as I can think very well on my own, thank you! So why does LSBO need to believe that I have been programmed by Hannity? Because that's how LSBO gets his/her programming...by listening to Error America, Olbermann, Matthews or one of the myriad of liberals there are to choose from.

So why is LSBO's allegation baseless and mine is not? Simple...look at the evidence: any liberal CANNOT carry on an honest debate with a conservative...they just don't have the ability. They rely on "talking points" from their masters and when faced with a tough question, they find themselves out of ammunition. This happens EVERYWHERE! Look at this thread on this very site where our own self-proclaimed "genius" liberal CANNOT answer 11 questions that I ask repeatedly (enumerated in post #11): [Only registered and activated users can see links. Either login above or Register Now]. DUH apparently had not been briefed by Mikey Mooron on any of these questions, so he got an F-minus on this particular test!

There are MANY more examples I could list...here's one from a different site: [Only registered and activated users can see links. Either login above or Register Now] When this fool (Scott) gets confronted with examples that totally shoots down his balloon, all he has to say is "I've got more important things to do than discuss this with you". That's liberalspeak for "what you say makes perfect sense, but it doesn't fit my agenda and I don't have a clue how to rebut it, so rather than admit you're right, I'll pretend I'm too intelligent to talk to you".

This is why Democrats are pushing for the "Fairness" Doctrine. They have the market cornered on TV hosts and movie stars but they can't handle it when conservatives disassemble liberal idiocy. The only POSSIBLE way to win in an argument against a conservative is to SILENCE the conservative, and that's precisely what they're trying to accomplish with the "Fairness" Doctrine. They find themselves incapable of responding to an Ann Coulter or a Thomas Sowell, so their only option is to throw invectives like a monkey throws its pooh.

I have to give kudos to Scott in ONE respect: he hadn't purged my responses. He probably WANTS to, BADLY! If I tried to make a post on Demo cratic Under ground.com that said "I'm a Republican and I'll be voting for John McCain", my post would be deleted immediately and my user ID would be "revoked". Try it for yourself and see what happens! Despite what they say, Democrats really DON'T believe in free speech unless it coincides with their agendas.

So, the evidence is pretty "evident", is it not? In any debate, you either win an argument or concede it to your opponent. When that opponent is painted into a corner and WILL NOT respond because they KNOW they are trapped, rather than admit the truth they will remain silent in hopes that one of their liberal buddies will feed them something they can go on. Unfortunately for them, their salvation never comes. DUH still probably WANTS to have a comeback for each of those 11 questions, but Olbermann/Matthews/Mooron/etc. hasn't come up with one yet that will save him. His intelligence is limited by his source of information - he cannot think for himself. And as LSBO appears to bear all the hallmarks of a liberal, he/she cannot either. The projection occurs when they accuse others of getting information the same way they get theirs. They can only suppose that others do things the way that they do.

jeskibuff why so angry?

I'm actually an independent and never, ever listened to Error America or Olbermann. I maybe caught 5 minutes of Matthews in boredom. Since I work from my home office I listen to FNC and CNN almost all day and night so I know who is a straightshooter and who has an agenda. For example Charles Krauthammer and Wolf Blitzer are total straighshooter who will tell you the truth. I actually heard Obama's and McCains speeches like 3 times each.

Coultier/Limbaugh/Hannity/Matthews are party driven. Party driven people can't be trusted to give fair and accurate information. Even Dick Morris has to be dismissed when he goes on the Clinton vendetta. However, when he talks like a stratigist then I listen to him.

I like to actually see the person interviewed a couple of times before I make any judgements instead of believing third parties. For example why should I believe Hannity or O'Reilly in regards to Moore/Sorros so I watched about three interviews over time with him and one on Cavuto with Sorros. In those samples, they didn't come across like the nut jobs FNC paints them to be.

In the case of O'Donnell and Matt Damon and other hollywood likes, I just look at them as people with opinnions just like us, they just have a bigger sounding board. For us we have this forum. It's the same, they are voters and entitled to their views whatever they may be. Take them seriously or with a grain of salt. Just because O'Donnell says steal can't melt doesn't mean it can't. Who you going to believe her or a metallurgist? Personally I find her rather loud and annoying.

I don't really read newspapers so I can't comment. I only know what I hear being said on Bill O'Reilly and FNC, and on CNN once in awhile.

The main reason liberals hate conservatives is because they react violently to anything that could threaten their precious amoral agendas. The venomous attacks on Christians and Christianity occur because the unyielding right/wrong absolutes do not fit well with liberals who insist on living as selfishly and recklessly as they want. They want legalization of drugs so they don't get jailed for practicing their preferred method of escape from reality. They'd rather parasite off someone else than work for their own living. They want the freedom to kill babies as frequently as they change sex partners. The list of their selfish agendas is long, which is why Gore, Kerry and Obama have to constantly lie and juggle their positions to get elected: the Democratic party is a collection of many factions, each of which demands their own interest be served.

I'm pretty sure the paragraph above applies to people in general whether liberal or conserative. All politicians lie and juggle irrregardless of party affiliation, to get elected.

[FUNdamental]

Jesk, the Democrats are not pushing for the "Fairness Doctrine": that is a myth designed by right wing tools. The only people bringing up the "fairness doctrine" are AM talk radio clowns and their nutty friends on Faux News.

[jeskibuff]

Originally Posted by FUNdamental

Jesk, the Democrats are not pushing for the "Fairness Doctrine": that is a myth designed by right wing tools. The only people bringing up the "fairness doctrine" are AM talk radio clowns and their nutty friends on Faux News.

As usual, you're in your little imaginary liberal fantasyland. It didn't take me long to find a few quotes:

7/23/07: "The Fairness Doctrine seemed dead and buried. Then in January, Rep. Dennis J. Kucinich (D-Ohio), who is running for president, announced that with Democrats back in the House majority, he planned to hold hearings on reviving the policy because media consolidation has made it harder for some voices to be heard."
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11/8/08: "Democrats Continue to Push “Fairness Doctrine”"
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2/12/09: ""I absolutely think it's time to be bringing accountability to the airwaves," Sen. Debbie Stabenow, D-Mich., told liberal radio host Bill Press last week."

"Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, told Press Wednesday that the Fairness Doctrine is needed not to remove any conservative voices, but to ensure that there are a few liberal shows on the air."

"Inhofe introduced a bill this year to prevent reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine, but he said he has not gotten a single Democrat to co-sponsor it." [Only registered and activated users can see links. Either login above or Register Now]