"Unfit to Command" author---APOLOGIZES!

[CagedTroll]

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This story (about Corsi) has been on CNN's Crossfire, and I just caught a bit on Hannity and Colmes. The credibility of this book is shot.

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[twonky]

Originally Posted by CagedTroll

The credibility of this book is shot.

Because he made a few offensive jokes his book has no credibility?

[bobbcat]

Exerpt from article linked above:

"President Bush (news - web sites) should immediately condemn this sleazy book written by a virulent anti-Catholic bigot. It says something about the smear campaign against John Kerry that it has stooped to enlist a hatemonger," said campaign spokesman Chad Clanton.

What about the smear campaign displayed by those entertainers at the Radio Music Hall, which included that disgusting act by Whoopi Goldberg, Mr. Clanton? Not only did Kerry not denounce that, he lauded it.

These people are hypocrites. If anything here is missing credibility, it is not that book, but these silly libs who can't take it but surely dish it out, by the bucketful. Not impressive.

[mayor]

He didn't apologize for the content of the book. He apologized for making insensitive remarks.

Talk about bandwagons running down the wrong track.

[prism68]

Originally Posted by bobbcat

Exerpt from article linked above:

What about the smear campaign displayed by those entertainers at the Radio Music Hall, which included that disgusting act by Whoopi Goldberg, Mr. Clanton? Not only did Kerry not denounce that, he lauded it.

These people are hypocrites. If anything here is missing credibility, it is not that book, but these silly libs who can't take it but surely dish it out, by the bucketful. Not impressive.

Great minds think alike, I had this same snippet copied to clipboard to refute that

I found THAT statement to be the most ridiculous statement in the article. Why one EARTH should Bush condemn a book?! Good grief... in one breath Libs spout off freedom of speech; in the next they want a PRESIDENT to 'censure' a book?!

Geez.

[CagedTroll]

Originally Posted by twonky

Because he made a few offensive jokes his book has no credibility?

NOT just because of the "jokes". Corsi's personal credibility just the latest problem affecting the credibility of the book. Mainly, the book is getting forced to the fringes (like [URL=http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1887128840//ref=nosim/worldvillage Son[/URL], and for the same reason) because most major media (I'm including what I've seen on Fox and MSNBC) [Only registered and activated users can see links. Either login above or Register Now] and have been digging deeper into this.

[twonky]

Originally Posted by CagedTroll

NOT just because of the "jokes". Corsi's personal credibility just the latest problem affecting the credibility of the book. Mainly, the book is getting forced to the fringes (like [URL=http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1887128840//ref=nosim/worldvillage Son[/URL], and for the same reason) because most major media (I'm including what I've seen on Fox and MSNBC) [Only registered and activated users can see links. Either login above or Register Now] and have been digging deeper into this.

If the information in the book is fact, it doesn't matter if he's a Catholic pedophile. Facts are facts. (Facts is facts?)

If a compulsive liar tells me that 2+2=4, is it not true because HE said it?

[mayor]

Originally Posted by twonky

Facts are facts. (Facts is facts?)

If a compulsive liar tells me that 2+2=4, is it not true because HE said it?

Um.. I think you meant...

facts am facts

er....

facts BE facts..

no...

I be confused.

If a compulsive liar falls in the forest and says 2+2=4 and no one is around to hear him, is the tree's name Al Gore?

Mayor

[CagedTroll]

The name of the doctor that appeared in the ad didn't appear in any of the medical paperwork associated with Kerry's 1st Purple Heart. None of the SwiftVets actually served on Kerry's boat. These are the guys that provide "facts" in the book.

The majority of the book isn't fact, it's opinion.

[twonky]

Originally Posted by CagedTroll

The name of the doctor that appeared in the ad didn't appear in any of the medical paperwork associated with Kerry's 1st Purple Heart. None of the SwiftVets actually served on Kerry's boat. These are the guys that provide "facts" in the book.

The majority of the book isn't fact, it's opinion.

I've heard the same things myself. I don't know who's lying.

I'm simply saying that the "facts" in the book either stand or fall because they are really facts or not, not based on the authors personal life.

[CagedTroll]

No...

The authors (not the SwiftVets) determined how to present the story in the book...

Okay, try this: Jim Jones, Charles Manson, and David Koresh were all good about quoting from the Bible. At that point, I'm sure we'd all agree the message is important, but you gotta consider who you're hearing it from (in the context of everything else he says).

I resorted to extremes. Work backward.

[twonky]

Originally Posted by CagedTroll

No...

The authors (not the SwiftVets) determined how to present the story in the book...

First and foremost, I haven't read the book and have no desire to read it. I am disappointed that they chose to do this myself. I do believe they have the right to come out and say what they want to say, free speech and all, but I do think it was a low thing to do. Being 'idealistic' the way I am, I'd love to hear only issues that deal with what's going on today and not what anyone has done in their past.

THAT BEING SAID.

Okay, try this: Jim Jones, Charles Manson, and David Koresh were all good about quoting from the Bible.

We're not talking about a 2000 year old book with 'facts' that can't be proven.

The object here is for the people complaining to read the 'facts' as presented and verify them if they are true or not.

It doesn't matter what the authors personal views are if the 'facts' are actually facts.

At that point, I'm sure we'd all agree the message is important, but you gotta consider who you're hearing it from (in the context of everything else he says).

Only if you're relying on their interpretation of the facts, not of the facts themselves.

If the doctor in the commercial isn't really the doctor that treated Kerry, then that should be able to be proven regardless of the author being a racist jerk.

[CagedTroll]

Originally Posted by twonky

We're not talking about a 2000 year old book with 'facts' that can't be proven.

We could be talk about the facts of 20 years ago (the Reagan administration) and everybody's got a differerent take.

Originally Posted by twonky

If the doctor in the commercial isn't really the doctor that treated Kerry, then that should be able to be proven regardless of the author being a racist jerk.

Asking to prove a negative? Seriously???

The vast bulk of Kerry's official records are available at his website. Louis Letson is the doctor's name, can't find it anywhere in those records, and his claim is that Kerry's crewmates confessed afterwards they didn't recieve enemy fire. NOT ONE of Kerry's crewmates is confirming Letson's story, and there's nothing in the official record to confirm his story. Letson hasn't produced any records to confirm his story.

Also, and I'm not so sure about this, I don't think Kerry's boat was the only one in the area at the time, so if there was no enemy fire (as Letson claims) then there should have been "after action" reports from other boats in the area that said as much.

The burden of proof, in this case at least, should be on Letson, or O'Neill, or CORSI, at least in this case. Because it's relatively easy to "prove a positive".., if it's true.

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[twonky]

Originally Posted by CagedTroll

Asking to prove a negative? Seriously???

No, asking to look at his medical records to see if the doctor that is claiming he treated him is on there. If he's not on the medical records, while that wouldn't conclusively prove he didn't treat him, it would offer enough proof for everyone to believe he didn't. Would you agree?

The vast bulk of Kerry's official records are available at his website. Louis Letson is the doctor's name, can't find it anywhere in those records, and his claim is that Kerry's crewmates confessed afterwards they didn't recieve enemy fire. NOT ONE of Kerry's crewmates is confirming Letson's story, and there's nothing in the official record to confirm his story. Letson hasn't produced any records to confirm his story.

Also, and I'm not so sure about this, I don't think Kerry's boat was the only one in the area at the time, so if there was no enemy fire (as Letson claims) then there should have been "after action" reports from other boats in the area that said as much.

The burden of proof, in this case at least, should be on Letson, or O'Neill, or CORSI, at least in this case. Because it's relatively easy to "prove a positive".., if it's true.

Now that wasn't too hard to do was it? Actually arguing the facts instead of assassinate someone's character? That showed a lot of maturity. Good job.

I agree that the book is questionable at best. But again, just because it's questionable and the author isn't very credible, that doesn't change the facts.

[luvmetender]

Regardless of whether or not the book is factual or a pack of lies, the authors have accomplished their mission, which is to get everyone focused on this STUPID MEANINGLESS BS, thereby taking the focus off GWB and his lackluster presidency and campaign.