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Old 03-27-2004, 11:19 PM
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Unhappy 5 minute video of GWB on the morning of 9-11

This is just shocking.

This footage shows President Bush sitting in a Florida classroom for 5 minutes after he was told that the second Twin Tower has been hit and that America was being attacked. A truncated version of this footage that has been available online since June 2002 shows Bush for only 2 minutes, 10 seconds after being told. This new footage more than doubles this length of time.

Immediately below, you'll find still-frames from the video, one every 5 seconds starting when Chief of Staff Andrew Card gives Bush the news and ending when the scene abruptly ends.

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Old 03-27-2004, 11:50 PM
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Re: 5 minute video of GWB on the morning of 9-11

oh, yes, and just try to get out of this one!

Bush was talking about what happened on September 11th and how he heard of the atrocities in New York. If you remember, Bush was at a school in Florida where he was taking part in a photo opportunity, which included reading a story about a pet goat to a class of children. The media around the world told us, from White House statements, that Bush heard of the twin tower attacks when his chief of staff, Andrew Card, spoke in his ear in the classroom as he addressed the children. There was the famous picture of Card leaning over Bush accompanied by headlines like: The Moment Bush Knew.

But Bush told the Florida town meeting a very different story. This is what he said about what happened that morning in answer to a question by someone named Jordan:

"Well, Jordan, you're not going to believe what state I was in when I heard about the terrorist attack. I was in Florida. And my Chief of Staff, Andy Card -- actually, I was in a classroom talking about a reading program that works. I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on. And I used to fly, myself, and I said, well, there's one terrible pilot. I said, it must have been a horrible accident. But I was whisked off there, I didn't have much time to think about it. And I was sitting in the classroom, and Andy Card, my Chief of Staff, who is sitting over here, walked in and said, "A second plane has hit the tower, America is under attack."

THIS IS STAGGERING - THERE WAS NO LIVE TELEVISION COVERAGE OF THE FIRST PLANE HITTING THE TOWER - HOW COULD THERE BE?? THE FOOTAGE OF THE FIRST CRASH WAS TAKEN BY ONLOOKERS AND SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS AND DID NOT AIR FOR HOURS AND DAYS AFTER IT HAPPENED. THERE WAS LIVE COVERAGE OF THE SECOND CRASH, OF COURSE, BUT NOT OF THE FIRST - SO HOW ON EARTH CAN THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES CLAIM TO A PUBLIC MEETING TO HAVE SEEN IT LIVE ON A TELEVISION OUTSIDE THE CLASSROOM WHERE HE WAS WAITING TO ADDRESS THOSE CHILDREN?? AND WHY HAS NO NEWS ORGANISATION OR "JOURNALIST" PICKED UP THIS FANTASTIC LIE?

And what about that statement about "there's one terrible pilot". What?? A passenger jet crashes into one of the twin towers full of people and all the President of the United States can say is "there's one terrible pilot"!! And then he walks into a classroom to read a story about a pet goat?? God help us. "There's one terrible pilot"? We are not talking a light plane flown by an amateur, but a commerical airliner and even if it had not been a terrorist outrage, it would still have been an enormous tragedy requiring the leadership of the US president. But of course none of this tissue of lies by Bush could have happened because he could not possibly have seen the first crash on live television because there was no live coverage. The fact that Bush KNEW the plane was going to hit the tower is more like it because he, like his masters who orchestrated it, was well aware of what was going to unfold that morning.

AND EVEN AFTER HE CLAIMS THAT HIS CHIEF OF STAFF TOLD HIM OF THE SECOND PLANE, AND THAT "AMERICA IS UNDER ATTACK", BUSH WENT ON READING THE STORY ABOUT THE PET GOAT!! YOU SIMPLY COULDN'T MAKE THIS UP, COULD YOU?

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Re: 5 minute video of GWB on the morning of 9-11

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The fact that Bush KNEW the plane was going to hit the tower is more like it because he, like his masters who orchestrated it, was well aware of what was going to unfold that morning.
Good grief! This is straight off of Democratic Underground! All that's missing is the last piece...you know... where they say that there was never a plane hitting the Pentagon (because it was supposedly spirited away by "an invisible dirigible" - I'm not kidding folks... it's posted on DU!); instead, a cruise missle hit the Pentagon! (No doubt fired by GWB himself!)

Luv, you're a far more intelligent person than those who actually believe/fabricate this stuff.... I have faith that the spell they've put on you will wear off soon.
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Re: 5 minute video of GWB on the morning of 9-11

LOL.. this is pathetic.

I think Bush should have panicked in front of all the kids and screamed "We're gonna die! We're gonna die! We're gonna die!" Sheesh.

5 minutes, huh?

Well then. Why did President Clinton stay locked in the bathroom of the Oval Office for SEVEN YEARS after the FIRST attack on the twin towers (1993).

I am assuming that Bush was being Presidential. I know, we hadn't had that in the previous eight years, so it may have come as a shock. He was probably counting on his people to gather data and provide him with more information as soon as his time with the kids was over.

Could it possibly be he was ... gasp.. praying? nah...

On one hand, he is too much of a "cowboy". Now he is being chided for five minutes of assimilating what took place. C'mon, get the story straight.

Hey gang, it's what he did AFTER that 5 minutes... 8 minutes... 15 minutes.. WHATEVER, that counts. And he did it better than Clinton did, or Kerry ever will.

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Re: 5 minute video of GWB on the morning of 9-11

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I think Bush should have panicked in front of all the kids and screamed "We're gonna die! We're gonna die! We're gonna die!" Sheesh.

Nope, not saying that. In fact, i was one of the ones to defend him on here when I thought his reaction time was about 2 minutes. But, 5 minutes? That is different! The country is being taken down by God knows who and GWB keeps reading? So he doesn't upset this group of kids? Sorry, don't buy it.
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Re: 5 minute video of GWB on the morning of 9-11

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Nope, not saying that. In fact, i was one of the ones to defend him on here when I thought his reaction time was about 2 minutes. But, 5 minutes? That is different!

What I don't get is how the liberals put a negative spin on ANYTHING Bush has ever said or done. Good grief is right! Do you honestly think there was something sinister in that response?! I about fell out of my chair when I read what you wrote- the whole 'orchestrating' thing. Fanatical- that is what the Democratic base has become.

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The country is being taken down by God knows who and GWB keeps reading? So he doesn't upset this group of kids? Sorry, don't buy it.
Well amazingly enough... this is so similar to MY response to 9/11. I was sitting in the floor with my daughter playing a card game, the phone rang and my mom gives me an hysterical version of unfolding events. What did I do?! I continued playing the card game. I played that game as normally as I could for another 10 minutes before I made an excuse to get away to a back bedroom to find the news.

For all I knew the bombs were about to fall on my house, but I didn't want to upset my daughter and have her last minutes be spent in terror if that were the case. When there is a paradigm shift in the world, CONCERNED, LOVING people want to keep it safe for children----while they assimilate what is going on. I am literally flabbergasted that you think that was somehow a failure in leadership for him to keep a commitment to those children. I taught in public schools, I can only imagine the build-up those children had for that visit- for him to dash madly out of the building (rather than take 5 WHOLE minutes!!! God forbid!) - would have created chaos.

I have seen how ONE upset adult can throw a whole class or hallway into hysteria (during a tornado warning at our school; almost had to slap a teacher to shake her out of her fits!). I think our President reacted remarkably in a situation that NO ONE had EVER been faced with in America before. These kind of things just make me sick; I have never been so disgusted with what I am reading from Democrats, not just on here but after reading John Kerry's stance on things yesterday. Couldn't even sleep last night worrying about what would become of this country with him at the helm
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Re: 5 minute video of GWB on the morning of 9-11

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...actually, I was in a classroom talking about a reading program that works. I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower...

Is it just possible, just POSSIBLE, that one little three-letter-word was omitted from this quote? You know the one..... HAD ........... "...and I saw an airplane had hit the tower..."

Puts a whole new 'spin' on what President Bush said, doesn't it? Because video footage definitely WAS shown just after the plane hit. And even if he didn't say 'had,' honestly, it could be implied from what he said, and no, I'm not stretching things by saying that. I can see how what he said could be misunderstood, and I think that's just what is happening here.

This is just proof that some people just are never going to give the man the benefit of the doubt.
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Re: 5 minute video of GWB on the morning of 9-11

Now wait, they had it all over the news. On NPR i heard that with out a doubt, a plane had crashed into the WTC. I was in the truck and heard it first on NPR, I then got a call on my cell phone from my Mom, that a plane had crashed. Now I would surely myself say I was listening to the news, when a plane crashed into the WTC, whether I saw the actual plane hit or not. As I raced to a place to see a TV, I ran in to see Peter Jennings reporting a plane had crashed into the WTC, then flipped over to Dan Rather. They both were saying that a plane crashed into the WTC, but was not sure of the size of the plane or cause. I mean they were adament that it was in fact a plane, and that plane had crashed. Dan was speculating the plane had gone off course and rammed into the building. We all then saw the second plane hit, Dan switched his tune to, it must be a terrorist attack. So, I didn't ACTUALLY see the first one impact, but would and have said that I saw the whole attack on the news, which according to the logic of Luv's OP, could not have happened.

Oh and the pilot thing, guess I am a bad person too, cause that is EXACTLY what I thought at first. "OMGosh what a "P" poor pilot, wonder if he was drunk?" It is human nature to look at the person who could be the cause and come up with a knee jerk reaction. But I admit my first thought was to the "visible" probable cause, which was the pilot. After the second plane hit and the "actual" cause was pretty clear, I then went on and thought "OH Lord what about all those people."

I agree Pip, it could just be a matter of the transcriptor leaving out a word, which could happen because we are all only human. I am sure it has happened before and will probebly happen again.

Excuse any typos. I am in IE and didn't spell check this. LOL
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Re: 5 minute video of GWB on the morning of 9-11

Wow, luv! Watching that film is absolutely chilling. When you realize what the President has been told, the 5 minutes or so seems interminable. And he stayed after the end of the film, to give the teacher a photo op and shake hands with some of the people. Not exactly how I picture Winston Churchill responding to such tragic news!

As for those of you who say that you responded slowly to the news, well, you're not the President of the United States! There was nothing you could DO. However, the President should have IMMEDIATELY gotten on the phone with security officials, because there could have been lots more attacks ready to occur. (As it was, the Pentagon attack and the plane crash in the field had not occured yet.) I KNOW emergency workers, the mayor of New York, heck, even I (!), would, and DID respond faster!

I'm not saying that he knew of it in advance, as some people believe. I'm just saying that his response time was waaaayyy too slow!
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Re: 5 minute video of GWB on the morning of 9-11

Well, it's good to know that there are people out there who know exactly how they would have responded in that situation and can then dictate what the president should have done. I'm sure we would have been completely calm and reasonable under that kind of pressure, especially considering that, at that moment, all the facts were known and it was a foregone conclusion that more attacks were underway.

Hindsight is better than 20/20 and, let's face it, no matter how Bush responded, not one Democrat would have been okay with it.
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Re: 5 minute video of GWB on the morning of 9-11

Is there some implication that had the President NOT waited 5 minutes, the other attacks would not have happened?

Because that is the sense I am getting and we all know that is ridiculous.

Nothing could have been done to prevent the other attacks. NOTHING.

I mean honestly, what could he have done? Ordered fighter jets to start attacking airplanes?
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Is there some implication that had the President NOT waited 5 minutes, the other attacks would not have happened?

Because that is the sense I am getting and we all know that is ridiculous.

Nothing could have been done to prevent the other attacks. NOTHING.

I mean honestly, what could he have done? Ordered fighter jets to start attacking airplanes?
Monkee said it best... it wouldn't have mattered what he did or didn't do.... the Dems weren't going to be happy either way.

Now, I'm absolutely certain that if John Kerry had been President, he would have leapt from his chair, instantly changed into his red cape and blue tights, and flown off to talk the terrorists down from the skies with his words of "peace, love and understanding", all the while holding up both towers so they wouldn't fall and everyone could get out safely....
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Monkee said it best... it wouldn't have mattered what he did or didn't do.... the Dems weren't going to be happy either way.
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