Anti-Semitic vs Anti-Christian

[Shainie]

Why is it that being anti-semitic is such a horrible thing . . . that you will be condemned if you say anything even resembling anti-semitic . . . but there is constant anti-Christian rhetoric, but that's okay?

Is this another case of majority doesn't rule?

Like you can have Black Pride - because black is a minority - but having white pride means you're a hater, a racist.

Disagreeing with Jewish way is hate - but disagreeing with Christian ways is freedom.

Discuss.

[mayfly]

I have wondered that also. I have even wondered why people pull scriptures out of the Old Testament, and used them as "spiritual bullets" towards Christians, but not the Jewish community.

[Jwelch111]

This thread, after the initial SHOCK, just saddens me.

I do not see, hear or read "constant anti-Christian rhetoric" out there.

If ANY "anti...rhetoric" is "constant" (and I don't think it is) I think, IMO, it is directed at religions of the Arab people (and followers of these religions in the United States).

This will be my only post on this thread.

Just makes me incredibly sad to read this thread's subject.

[freesurfer]

Why? I agree with Shainie! We are constantly hearing people going against these ideas. And the reaction is exactly how Shainie states it.

[luvmetender]

Originally Posted by freesurfer

Why? I agree with Shainie! We are constantly hearing people going against these ideas. And the reaction is exactly how Shainie states it.

Constantly hearing people people going against these ideas? So? That makes them hateful against Christians? Or do they just have a different opionion? And I don't know what you mean by "the reaction is exactly how Shainie states it." Can you please clarify that?

Look... bottom line...

There is something going on right now in this country and it is scary.

Somehow, Conservative = Republican = Christian

and

Liberal = Democrat = Christian-haters

Where does that come from?

[bwsmom]

Originally Posted by luvmetender

There is something going on right now in this country and it is scary.

Somehow, Conservative = Republican = Christian

and

Liberal = Democrat = Christian-haters

Where does that come from?

I would certainly hope it's not that way. I know several good Democrats who are Christians! However, I do think there's some veracity to the argument that Republicans/Conservatives are perceived to be the more "moral" party (aka Christians) because we're the ones who tend to go against things like gay marriage, abortion, etc. The Democrats/Liberals are more for "tolerance" and "acceptance", which, in the instances of gay marriage and abortion, go against what Conservatives/Christians believe. In that sense, I could see how your equation could play out.

I do understand what Shainie means too, though. As a Christian, I know what it's like to have potential friendships go down the drain the minute the other person "finds out" you're a Christian (even if you weren't keeping it "secret"). People get unbelievably confrontational when they learn you're a Christian. Kind of the "Oh yeah, well how come your God allows kids to be kidnapped and murdered?! How come your God doesn't help the starving people in Africa?", etc, etc, etc, thing. As I said in another thread, many people consider Christians to be the most intolerant people on the planet, and yet those same people are completely intolerant of us, even though it's not true!

Shainie is right... there is much hatred in the world for Christians today. But, then again, there has been plenty of hatred for us going back centuries! I think it comes down to the notion that we're the group who believe in "turning the other cheek", which makes us an easier target. (Note: My previous statement is not designed in any way to dismiss or lessen the amount of suffering inflicted on oppressed peoples the world over). We won't fight back (at least not physically), and since we don't stand up for ourselves (again, physically speaking), who would want to stand up for us? Much easier to go with the crowd and condemn the one they all dislike, rather than stand up for that one. (Hmmm... sounds like a movie I heard about recently... ).

[bassmount]

IMHO, there is a certain level of intolerance in this world, for anyone who does not think as "you" do. It could be Anti-Semitic, Anti-Christian, Anti-Muslim ... it could be Anti-Democrat or Anti-Republican. Point being there are extremists in every "organized anything" and those are usually the ones that breed the intolerance. Some would have everyone believe that all Muslims are Ant-Christian, Some would have you believe that all Christians are Anti-Jew. 9 times out of 10, we all have one thing in common, we want to exists here on this planet in peace and that should be the tie that binds. People can say what they want to say about me or an "organization" I belong to, but they don't know me, so it really does not bother me much. There is not a whole lot anyone can do to change the way one group/person will view another. Sad but true, we do have people who hate Christians, and Jews, and Muslims and Republicans and Democrats. That is just the way the world is.

[bradedit]

I know a couple of Republicans that I call good Christians, but I know far more Democrats that are(must be the crowd I hang out with) and I'm not even a Democrat.

At 45 I have never had anyone NOT like me because I was a Christian and I have never ran into a blatant Anti-Christian EVER, they may not always agree but ANTI doesn't mean that in my book!

[mayfly]

I have run into many people who are quite vocal about my beliefs and lifestyle. I have been put down (by strangers, and people I know) for having 4 kids, homeschooling, not getting my daughters bikinis, or letting them have "boyfriends". People may say that they aren't against Christianity, but in my experience they come at me through the back door, not always point blank at my Christian beliefs, but at how Christianity plays out in my life.

[mcshelll]

I believe it stems from anti-semitisism being seen as more of against a sector of people(like a nationality more than just a religion) I believe anti - Christian stems from seeing their views at the "truth" and trying to convert others to the same "truth" I am currently dealing with this issue, as one of my children has professed her desire to be a Christian missionary.My other child is currently attending Bible College. I do not share their beliefs, nor does my dh.We think it is fine to believe what you believe is the truth, but do not presume to tell others they are wrong in their belief system, and try to convert them to yours (Christian).
What really bothers me right now is that:
anti- Muslim/Islam = patriotic American
anti war = not patriotic

[ShainaT]

<sigh> Whatever happened to keeping religious issues private? (I'm talking about real life... not on this religion/politics forum) I know people of all religions and the ones that most get on my nerves are the ones who can't shut up about it. I think everyone is entitled to believe what ever they want to believe. Just don't think you are better than me based on what you believe vs. what I believe. Because nobody really knows do they?


Having been the victim of anti-semitic remarks I am not even going to touch that one.

[Twinplets]

Originally Posted by mayfly

I have run into many people who are quite vocal about my beliefs and lifestyle. I have been put down (by strangers, and people I know) for having 4 kids, homeschooling, not getting my daughters bikinis, or letting them have "boyfriends". People may say that they aren't against Christianity, but in my experience they come at me through the back door, not always point blank at my Christian beliefs, but at how Christianity plays out in my life.

Interestingly, the only families I know personally with 4 (or more) kids, or who homeschool, are Jewish. This may be because I'm Jewish too, but I don't live in a Jewish neighborhood so I meet a wide variety of people.

[Shainie]

Originally Posted by ShainaT

<sigh> Whatever happened to keeping religious issues private? (I'm talking about real life... not on this religion/politics forum) I know people of all religions and the ones that most get on my nerves are the ones who can't shut up about it. I think everyone is entitled to believe what ever they want to believe. Just don't think you are better than me based on what you believe vs. what I believe. Because nobody really knows do they?

I agree with a lot of what you said Shania. And IN REAL LIFE, religion is almost never an issue in my relationships with other people. My birthfather is, as far as I can tell, an athiest. We have a wonderful friend of the family that is Jewish, a husband and wife Jehova Witness couple come to our house twice a week to share the word with us . . .

It's like the internet world is for debating, but in my real life - it's live and let live. I'm raising my family Christian, but I'd never tell the Jewish family down the block that they're doing things wrong. My beliefs are MINE. And yours are yours. And we're entitled to have them.

My originial post is just how I saw things, and wanted to open it up for discussion to see if others see it in a similar way.

[hrdlife1]

Originally Posted by ShainaT

<sigh> Whatever happened to keeping religious issues private? (I'm talking about real life... not on this religion/politics forum) I know people of all religions and the ones that most get on my nerves are the ones who can't shut up about it. I think everyone is entitled to believe what ever they want to believe. Just don't think you are better than me based on what you believe vs. what I believe. Because nobody really knows do they?

That is EXACTLY how I feel, very well said!!

I would probably say I'm more anti-RELIGION. I just don't believe that there is one supreme being out there who one day snapped his fingers and made the Universe. I believe it has a whole heckofa lot more to do with science than any kind of "spirit." But that doesn't mean I don't have friends (and BEST friends) who are Christian, or that I hate ANYONE with religion. I, myself, just don't believe in it but I really (honestly) don't care what anyone else believes and don't dislike them for whatever they believe in either *shrug* Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and if you don't agree with mine, so what. And if I don't agree with yours...so what. Pretty simple to me, but that's just how I do things, it may be different in your home.

[twonky]

Originally Posted by hrdlife1

I, myself, just don't believe in it but I really (honestly) don't care what anyone else believes and don't dislike them for whatever they believe in either *shrug* Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and if you don't agree with mine, so what. And if I don't agree with yours...so what. Pretty simple to me, but that's just how I do things, it may be different in your home.

Well, that's going a little far I hope. Things are definitely different than that in my home.

For example, I would dislike someone if they think it's OK to have sex with young boys (NAMBLA) and I have no respect for husbands who beat their wives, regardless of if they believe it's OK for them to do so. I can think of a lot of things that would keep me from liking someone just because they believe differently.

Certainly you wouldn't like the man that thinks "Heck, my wife didn't make dinner on time so I believe I was justified in hitting her."

(It was just an example to make a point! Please don't pile on me!!!)