Mel Gibson's Father....

[FUNdamental]

Did anyone here read this article?

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Has Mel ever stated he doesn't agree with his father on these issues?

Very odd, isn't it?

[telos2000]

He said in his interviews that he doesn't agree with dear ol' pappy.

[Shainie]

Originally Posted by FUNdamental

Very odd, isn't it?

Is what odd? That father and son have differnt views?

Heck no.

My mom had tons of crackpot religious ideas. We're on different ends of the spectrum in our beliefs.

[Rockabillie]

Although Mel Gibson surely disagrees with his father on some issues--just like all of us, his is his own person--They both are both members of the same church that denies the existence of the Holocaust.

And this is why Mel Gibson has no credibility.

[bassmount]

Originally Posted by Rockabillie

Although Mel Gibson surely disagrees with his father on some issues--just like all of us, his is his own person--They both are both members of the same church that denies the existence of the Holocaust.

And this is why Mel Gibson has no credibility.

Well then Mel must disagree with his church too.

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Gibson raised hackles recently with published statements in which he noted Holocaust victims were among many victims of World War II. He told Sawyer he doesn't mean to deny either that the Holocaust occurred or that there were millions killed.

"Do I believe that there were concentration camps where defenseless and innocent Jews died cruelly under the Nazi regime? Of course I do; absolutely," he said. "It was an atrocity of monumental proportion."

Asked if the Holocaust represented a "particular kind of evil," he told Sawyer it did, but added, "Why do you need me to tell you? It's like, it's obvious. They're killed because of who and what they are. Is that not evil enough?"

[Taxman]

Since when does the Catholic Church deny the existence of the Holocaust? First you say that the John Birch Society is the den of fascists (using the site of a fringe conspiracy author as “proof”) now this? How about you give me a legitimate source for your accusations this time…

[Pipanella]

*standing in line behind Taxman to hear the answers to his questions*

[Rockabillie]

Originally Posted by Taxman

Since when does the Catholic Church deny the existence of the Holocaust? First you say that the John Birch Society is the den of fascists (using the site of a fringe conspiracy author as “proof”) now this? How about you give me a legitimate source for your accusations this time…

It was an article in Rolling Stone. Mel and his Dad are in a small offshoot of the Catholic church which the Catholic church has formally seperated itself from. They built a church in the desert outside LA. Mel and his Dad are not members of the large Catholic church, but a small rogue sect that the Pope has discredited. It was in Rolling Stone about... 6 months ago. Mel paid for the church himself.

As to the Birch society info. I've read for decades that they paid for violence against union members and had former Nazi party members as advisors. That's not a fringe conspiracy theorist's idea, it's been out there for decades. I just don't spend a lot of time trying to find a link; I find one, I go with that and move on to something else. You ask for link, I give you link. YOu come back and say you don't like that link. Well, I can see that pattern going on forever as I jump through hoops.

cheerios!

heres' some of it:
"Gibson and his son, the star of blockbuster films like "Braveheart" and "Lethal Weapon," are practitioners of an ultraconservative Catholic movement known as traditionalism. The small splinter group seeks to revive orthodox practices that were abandoned several centuries ago by mainstream Catholicism.

The actor has been especially forthcoming about his religious affiliation recently. Gibson is building a traditionalist church on a 9,300-square-foot complex in Malibu, Calif., for about 70 members, the Times said. He is serving as the director, chief executive officer and sole benefactor of the church, which intends to conduct its Sunday Mass entirely in Latin. The property was purchased by a church group called Holy Family.

Hutton Gibson follows a tiny wing of traditionalist Catholicism that views the modernizing reforms of the Second Vatican Council as a conspiracy between Jews and Masons to take over the church.

[FUNdamental]

The history of the Catholic Church's once loathing against Masons is well documented. Perhaps Mel is going back to "ye olde days."

I have read the stereotypes of Jews having big or “hooked” noses are displayed in the movie by a lot of profile shots of Jewish men. If this cinematography claim is true, I cannot find it in my heart to see a movie with such a blatant anti-Semitic agenda.

[Pipanella]

Originally Posted by FUNdamental

I have read the stereotypes of Jews having big or “hooked” noses are displayed in the movie by a lot of profile shots of Jewish men. If this cinematography claim is true, I cannot find it in my heart to see a movie with such a blatant anti-Semitic agenda.

I suggest you see the film for yourself, Fun. And maybe you should see it twice, because if you watch it the first time, trying to notice what others may 'think' is anti-Semitism, you will probably miss a few things, maybe even the real message of the film.

[FUNdamental]

I have read several reviews of the film all from legitimate news sources, and each has devoted space to the issue of anti-Semitic content.

This "profile" claim is one that comes out tomorrow in print and is a different take on the same anti-Semitic concerns published by other legitimate news organizations. Have you seen the film, and if so, does it really show a lot of profiles of Jewish men with big noses?

This is a legitimate question.

[Pipanella]

Originally Posted by FUNdamental

I have read several reviews of the film all from legitimate news sources, and each has devoted space to the issue of anti-Semitic content.

This "profile" claim is one that comes out tomorrow in print and is a different take on the same anti-Semitic concerns published by other legitimate news organizations. Have you seen the film, and if so, does it really show a lot of profiles of Jewish men with big noses?

This is a legitimate question.

I plan to see the film while on vacation next week. I will let you know if I think they show any more profiles of the Jewish men than they do of anyone else. I'm not going to look for it specifically, because that's not what I'm going to see the movie for, but if it stands out to me, I'll let you know.

You know, I have to question the motives of someone who watches the film just to see how many times it shows Jewish men's profiles. This kind of thing may erode the believability of the anti-Semitic argument, rather than supporting it.

[FUNdamental]

It was written by a Catholic, and a member of the New York legitimate press. He wrote that the profiles were so apparent in the film they were insulting to him as a viewer. His piece comes out tomorrow, so hopefully his observation will be addressed quickly.

[Pipanella]

I don't care if he's a legitimate member of the press. That really doesn't make his opinion any more valuable than anyone else's, he just has a forum to voice it. It's just his opinion, that's all.

[Pipanella]

Mel has said that he isn't Anti-Semitic and his film isn't Anti-Semitic. He has said that anti-Semitism goes against his beliefs as a Christian.

Is Mel a liar? Is he a wolf in sheep's clothing? I think people would be stepping forward at this time, refuting Mel's claim to be a Christian, if he lived any kind of life contrary to Christian beliefs.

I haven't heard anyone level those kinds of accusations against him yet. And I'm not saying he lives a perfect life, either, so let's not go THERE. I have no idea if he lives his faith or not, I'm just saying I haven't heard otherwise, and it seems like in light of all the cries of anti-Semitism, this would come out, if it were true.

What are the people that are crying "Anti-Semitism" wanting? What would they like to see happen now? Those are legitimate questions.