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Old 02-15-2004, 08:02 PM
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Allah or Jesus?

Am I the only one who got this email?

This is an interesting article... with some whom believe it was misinformed, of course.
I have included links at bottom to both the snopes site (who labels it as 'undetermined') and the author's site itself. The author's site includes letters from supporters that make excellent rebuttal to the snopes claims.

The author, Rick Mathes, is a well known prison ministry leader.

Allah or Jesus?
By Rick Mathes


Last month I attended my annual training session that's required for maintaining my state prison security clearance. During the training session there was a presentation by three speakers representing the
Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths who explained their belief systems.


I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam had to say.


The Imam gave a great presentation of the basics of
Islam, complete with a video. After the presentations, time was provided for questions and answers.


When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Imam and asked:


"Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the world. And, that by killing an infidel, which is a command to all Muslims, they are assured of a place in heaven. If
that's the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?"


There was no disagreement with my statements and without hesitation he replied, "Non-believers!"


I responded, "So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can go to Heaven. Is that correct?"


The expression on his face changed from one of authority and command to that of a little boy who had just gotten caught with his hand in the cookie jar. He sheepishly replied, "Yes."


I then stated, "Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine Pope John Paul commanding all Catholics to kill those of your faith or Pat Robertson or Dr. Stanley ordering Protestants to do the same in order to go to Heaven!"

The Imam was speechless.


I continued, "I also have problem with being your friend when you and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me. Let me ask you a question. Would you rather have your Allah who tells you to kill me in order to go to Heaven or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I am going to Heaven and so might you?"


You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his head in shame.


Chuck Colson once told me something that has
sustained me these 20 years of prison ministry. He said to me, "Rick, remember that the truth will prevail."
And it will!

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What kind of e-mail lists are you on?
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What kind of e-mail lists are you on?
Forwards, darlin', forwards... as in someone sending this stuff to a few dozen of their closest friends
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Re: Allah or Jesus?

Smells fishy...
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Speaking of "fish"... American Airlines, so much news on them lately. First a pilot asks Christians to identify themselves so their fellow passengers can hear the gospel (I guess), then they seem to suspect a group of nuns of being terrorists (apparently) so they get bumped from their scheduled flight. Not that I don't consider nuns to be extremely religious, but isn't that just a little bit different from "extremist"?

Most of us "infidels" don't even understand the definition of "jihad" amongst Islamic clerics and imams. For a lot of them (in fact, most of them,) it's a war in a spiritual sense, not a physical one.
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I never understood why people want to force other people to obey their religion anyway. Who cares? I'll take care of myself and you take care of yourself. Stop trying to dis Islam.

Spirituality is a serious and personal choice. I'd never criticize someone's faith. No human has the right to do that.
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I never understood why people want to force other people to obey their religion anyway. ... Stop trying to dis Islam.
Ummmm... I missed that part where someone was forcing someone else to obey their religion?

As for 'dissing Islam' - that would be a personal opinion/perspective.
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