Join the campaign to censure President Bush!

[whitequeen96]

Attached is info on a petition to ask Congress to censure Bush for misleading us and pushing us into war. (This is our opinion. I am stating this to comply with the rules of this forum.) If you are interested in signing it, please do it right away, as they plan to present this list on Thursday!

Here's the info and where you sign the petition!
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Please forward this information to friends and colleagues who would share your concern.

OK, taxman, I hope this now meets the requirements of this forum.

[Pipanella]

I have a question... so if Bush IS censured, what does that mean, other than he is officially blamed and criticized for what he did? How would this affect his finishing out his term as President?

[Taxman]

A vote to censure would have no effect on the President finishing out his term. The only way that he can legally be removed is through impeachment.

Whitequeen: I know that you posted this outside this forum so you're not probably aware of this, but we try to keep opinion sites out and stick to hard news sources. I don't mind if you'd like to create another thread to discuss this issue, but I'm either going to have to close this one or have you edit your message to comply with forum policy. Either way, please let me know.

[Pipanella]

Originally Posted by Taxman

A vote to censure would have no effect on the President finishing out his term. The only way that he can legally be removed is through impeachment.

That's what I thought. Though I think that President Bush has made some serious mistakes while in office, I can see nothing positive coming about because of censuring. That's just what terrorists would love........our country in an uproar over its leader. I think the world knows that there are a great many Americans opposed to the war, and my personal opinion is, to let this man finish his term and if there are so many that think a censure is necessary, then don't vote for him in November. That would speak volumes.

[tschmitt]

yeah! everyone get on board! then we can all join the 0% of the nation that proproses we censure Bush! yeah!

(don't believe me that you'll join the '0%' ? just go to your handy dandy calculator, put in 300,000 divided by 243 million and see what you get...)


for those of you without a calc, here is the answer:

.00123456790123 which, when you move the decimal 2 places, is 00.1%


kinda difficult to say that it represents the multitudes and is WORTHY of our Congress' valuable time when, statistically, 0% of the population is in favor, is it not??


this is why sites like moveon.org don't bother me, or anybody else, for that matter. Even if they ARE celebrating their 2 millionth member, that's only (oops, just did the calculation and found out that they still only have '0%' of the population with them - .00823)
0%...politically, they mean nothing.

not trying to be mean or nasty (although my first comment WAS sarcastic) - just pointing out statistics here.

[Taxman]

tschmitt: I'd appreciate it if you toned down your commentary. Let's try to keep this friendly, ok?

[whitequeen96]

Tschmitt, I don't think this is an insignificant number of petitioners when you consider the very short time in which they've gotten all these signatures. And even if it were only 100 people, I would want to sign it and stand up for what I believe in. The only way anything ever changes is if SOMEONE takes action. This IS America, and we are free to state our beliefs, even if we might be in the minority. However, I think this may just represent a gathering groundswell of opinion. So don't be so quick to dismiss us; remember, underestimating the opposition is never a good idea!

[whitequeen96]

Also, Pip, you are one of my favorite people on DOD, so please take this in the friendliest way possible. It is not as if we are rioting in the streets or doing anything illegal. People who sign this petition are following the proper channels open to them to express their strong disaproval of what they feel the President has done. If anything, I think it is a GOOD example of what America is all about. We don't need revolutionary wars, or juntas that take over the government. We are "the loyal opposition", dealing with this in a very RESPECTABLE way. I don't think our actions will make any difference to terrorists, but they might garner some respect among the rest of the world. Perhaps other nations will see that American citizens are able, and DO, express their opinions in a civilized way. It also shows that we are a democracy, where everyone does NOT have to agree with the leader! These are some of the things that make me very proud of our country!

[Pipanella]

Originally Posted by whitequeen96

Also, Pip, you are one of my favorite people on DOD, so please take this in the friendliest way possible. It is not as if we are rioting in the streets or doing anything illegal. People who sign this petition are following the proper channels open to them to express their strong disaproval of what they feel the President has done. If anything, I think it is a GOOD example of what America is all about. We don't need revolutionary wars, or juntas that take over the government. We are "the loyal opposition", dealing with this in a very RESPECTABLE way. I don't think our actions will make any difference to terrorists, but they might garner some respect among the rest of the world. Perhaps other nations will see that American citizens are able, and DO, express their opinions in a civilized way. It also shows that we are a democracy, where everyone does NOT have to agree with the leader! These are some of the things that make me very proud of our country!

Oh, whitequeen, I don't take it at all in a bad way! I can see the point of the censure, it's just that I have my doubts about what it might accomplish. You make some very good points, and though I wouldn't participate in a censure, you've made me see a different way of looking at it!

[Taxman]

Originally Posted by whitequeen96

OK, taxman, I hope this now meets the requirements of this forum.

Better. Moveon.org isn't a nonbiased source, but in this context it directly relates to the subject at hand. Thanks for complying.

[Taxman]

Originally Posted by whitequeen96

Tschmitt, I don't think this is an insignificant number of petitioners when you consider the very short time in which they've gotten all these signatures. And even if it were only 100 people, I would want to sign it and stand up for what I believe in. The only way anything ever changes is if SOMEONE takes action. This IS America, and we are free to state our beliefs, even if we might be in the minority. However, I think this may just represent a gathering groundswell of opinion. So don't be so quick to dismiss us; remember, underestimating the opposition is never a good idea!

I respect the idea of a loyal, viable opposition party. Without one, it makes the majority party complacent. However, what does concern me is the way that some members of the opposition voice their concerns. Voicing concerns in a civil context is a far cry from "Bush is Hitler" or "Bush loves arsenic" ads.

[bwsmom]

Originally Posted by Taxman

However, what does concern me is the way that some members of the opposition voice their concerns. Voicing concerns in a civil context is a far cry from "Bush is Hitler" or "Bush loves arsenic" ads.

Amen. My boss is on the censure list and has written our state senators and his local rep to try to prod them into joining the censure movement. But, this is the same guy who dumped a LARGE chunk of money into Howard Dean's campaign, so I just chuckle when I have to type his hate mail.

People have every right to sign whatever petition they feel like, support whatever cause they feel is right, etc.... however, I think this is one instance (much like the Dean campaign) that's going to be a flash in the pan, "it seemed like a good idea at the time", and will be long gone before November rolls around. I say we all stop pushing the paper (petitions, hate letters, etc.) and just get down to the one-on-one debates so America can see for themselves the choices they have!

[Rockabillie]

Originally Posted by Taxman

we try to keep opinion sites out and stick to hard news sources.

Great, that sounds fair.
At least there won't be any more links to the Drudge Report anymore if you're eliminating opinion sites and sticking to hard news sources! That'll clean things up quite a bit, thanks.

[bradedit]

Originally Posted by Rockabillie

Great, that sounds fair.
At least there won't be any more links to the Drudge Report anymore if you're eliminating opinion sites and sticking to hard news sources! That'll clean things up quite a bit, thanks.

[Taxman]

Regardless of what you'd like to believe, the Drudge Report IS a hard news source. There is no commentary, simply links to various news items from around the world as well as the occasional breaking item reported first there. Remember the Lewinski scandal? You didn't see that first on CNN, did you? MoveOn.org is a purely political site (not that there’s anything wrong with that, just different). Comparing the Drudge Report to MoveOn is completely laughable...