How does everyone feel on the ruling for same sex marriages in Massachusetts?

[Taxman]

Originally Posted by sblme28

Wrong, in my opinion. It's pedophilia. The topic at hand is between 2 consenting adults. Sex with a child is wrong.

Your point about tolerating/embracing is valid. However...who's embracing it? Besides the people involved, i think you'd be hard pressed to find toleraters/supporters of this group. I think the vast majority of American society thinks that sex with children is wrong.

I could be wrong, but didn't the ACLU represent them?

[sblme28]

Originally Posted by Taxman

I could be wrong, but didn't the ACLU represent them?

perhaps...I'm not sure. you could be right.

[mayor]

Originally Posted by sblme28

Your point about tolerating/embracing is valid. However...who's embracing it? Besides the people involved, i think you'd be hard pressed to find toleraters/supporters of this group. I think the vast majority of American society thinks that sex with children is wrong.

And if you go back about 40 years, the vast majority of American society thought that homosexual relationships were wrong.

What changed?

Do you think Sodom and Gomorah became S&D over night? No, it takes years for people's minds and hearts to be persuaded and changed. History is repeating itself as it has in every great civilization.

Mark my words. The NAMBLA group is gaining speed. Perhaps you should take five minutes and read about the ACLU case taking place in Kansas...

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Mayor

[mayor]

Originally Posted by sblme28

I still maintain my belief that if a child is given the love and support they need, then that's what's best.

You are right. But you miss the key point you are illustrating. The love and support a child needs is best served in the context of a loving marriage relationship. Everything else is inferior.

Mayor

[luvmetender]

Originally Posted by mayor

You are right. But you miss the key point you are illustrating. The love and support a child needs is best served in the context of a loving marriage relationship. Everything else is inferior.

Mayor

I'll bet there are many non-traditional families that have children that are much better off than some of the kids in a "loving marriage relationship." It's about parenting. Just because you have a "good marriage" doesn't mean you are a good parent.

[angusmcgee]

we're not talking about specific cases here, LMT.. We're talking generally.

GENERALLY, a child is better off being raised in a home with a mommy and a daddy who are married in the traditional, normal sense.

[luvmetender]

Originally Posted by angusmcgee

we're not talking about specific cases here, LMT.. We're talking generally.

GENERALLY, a child is better off being raised in a home with a mommy and a daddy who are married in the traditional, normal sense.

I agree with you in general, angus. But many people don't have that opportunity and still manage to do a great job. I don't like it when people are all lumped into one category.

[angusmcgee]

the "in general" is all we're talking about..

[mayor]

Originally Posted by angusmcgee

the "in general" is all we're talking about..

Ditto. There are always exceptions.

Mayor

[Twinplets]

Originally Posted by angusmcgee

However, I believe that the family where the father is the head of the household, goes off to work, the kids come home to mom after school is the best environment for the child.

So, does this mean you disapprove of families where the mom works and the father stays home with the kids?

[Pipanella]

Originally Posted by Twinplets

So, does this mean you disapprove of families where the mom works and the father stays home with the kids?

He didn't say that. He just said what he believed was best.

[CagedTroll]

Originally Posted by Pipanella

He didn't say that. He just said what he believed was best.

Urk...! Hmmm???

I'm wondering if it's possible to comment on the progress of the discussion, without offering my opinion of the issue..., which I sort of already have, but ignore that for a moment.

Gay marriages between consenting adults have been equated with child molestation on this thread, or at least a step in the direction of embracing child molestation, which we should avoid taking as a society.

But the proper environment in which to raise a child is a matter of degree...? With Dad working and mom at home nurturing being the ideal, but we'll forgive all other shortcomings as long as it's a heterosexual environment. (I'm stretching a bit with that last sentence, but not by much.)

Seems like we're playing both sides here, with "moral certainty" and "absolute truths" on one hand, but "moral relativism" and "making the best of the situation" on the other.

Interesting to note, methinks, that it was same-sex child molesting that the topic spun into, making is seem like molesting little girls would be another matter for "relativism".

[Pipanella]

I didn't say I agreed or disagreed with anything, I just commented on Twinplets question. Or did you not mean to quote me, CT?

[LINAO]

Gay marriage isn't that somewhat of an onxymoron??
The reason (IMO) for marriage is for a man and a woman to have a family unit. I do not even believe that gay couples should have a "different" name for such unions. In most states sodomy is still illegal so santifing gay unions is giving the ok for certain individuals to break exsisting laws.

[bradedit]

Sodomy in the same sex or heterosexuals? I think it is only illegal in 14 states and oral sex is still illegal in some states, but I wonder how they check that out!