Survivor: Cook Island - DISCUSSION thread

[blurry]

I agree, I think Jon's only chance was joining Candice in the mutiny...he would have been toast on Aitu if he stayed.

[ShainaT]

Wow! What a show!
Normally I am not home on Thursday evenings but due to the Holiday I was and got to watch the show tonight.

Poor Nate! It probably makes the most sense but I still was hoping that he went far.

I liked how in the previews for next week, they don't share their food. Adam, Candace and Parvati are in trouble.

[WhaddaDeal006]

LOL, totally blurry, but now look who he is back with? LOL....but hey, at least he is playing the game. Good for him...
If he truly does stay with them to the final 5, he'll obviously (I would think) need to win that week's immunity to make it a 'fair' race into the final four and beyond (idol will not longer be good after final four).


Yeah, poor Nate....all worried about his new bud Ozzy, and then his immunity may have cost Nate his stay on the island! lol

[WhaddaDeal006]

Is anyone else a little confused about the powers of the idol?

Apparently he can give the idol to anyone he chooses and allow them to use it. But if he did this, he would get it back afterwards, correct?

And it isn't just a one-time-only-use; he can use it every time until the final four, correct?

If yes to both of those, then why did they even need Jonathon? At worst the vote would have been 5-4 to kick out <AITU member>, and Yul could have allowed the idol to be used to save <AITU member>, which means the Raro member with 4 votes would leave.

I guess I am confused of the actual powers of the idol.

[momof3girls]

As far as the immunity idol that Yul has, I'm quite certain it can only be used once. If he gives it to someone, that's it, he can't use it. He has until the final 4 to use it, after that it is not valid.

[ShainaT]

Yep- Momof3Girls is right. One time use only.

Something else I was thinking about....who did Adam, etc. THINK had the Idol if it wasn't Yul? Seems like they didn't consider that option at all. They had to assume it was found by someone. Crazy.

I agree w/ Whaddadeal. Jonathan is playing the game. Good for him. It is a game and not about making "friends."

[WhaddaDeal006]

Ahhhh okay, well that would make sense then, I just never heard Jeff/Yul say that. (or at least I don't remember, lol) Thanks!!

And yeah, I think Jonathon even said, that Adam and ¿Candice? wasn't thinking--somebody had to have it! And for those two especially, since the first four that went to Exile Island were 1) Jonathon 2) Yul 3) Candice 4) Adam 5) Jonathon--and after his second visit, he declared that he was certain somebody already found it. Well, unless they figured it was Jonathon, they should have figured it was Yul...unless Candice/Adam lie to each other? lol The fools....they pretty much made Jonathon's decision for him. That was his only play. Well done, Jonathon. Bad move, Adam/Candice.

[TTMommy]

As long as Jonathan can stick around a bit longer, I think he has a pretty good chance of going all the way to the final two. The strategy changes at a certain point, and people start thinking, as Yul told Jonathan, about whom they'd like to be up against in a final vote. I can't think of anybody who would be more universally disliked than Jonathan because he has betrayed, in some form, everybody so far. Of course, taking someone like that to the final two can also backfire, as the jury may tend to reward whoever has played the best game, whether or not they like the person. And as others in the thread have mentioned, Jonathan is definitely playing the game! Ozzy is a formidable competitor because he's so fit and strong, but I don't see a lot of strategy in his game play. Both Jonathan and Yul are really thinking things through, and that, in my opinion, distinguishes them from the others; in the end, the jury members may respect that.

[kells3]

I think in the heat of the moment the jury does not vote for the person who plays the best game but the person who was more honest. Which I think is silly because of corse you have to lie to get ahead in the game. Except for the first season where Richard was not well liked but played the game so well. Nate was so upset with Jonathan that I don't think there is any way he would vote for him. Now if they put off the vote until the live show when they have had a chance to think about it then maybe they would. But when that lie that got them voted off is still fresh in their mind they are not thinking clearly. LOL

[kayemjay]

Wow ,That was some show last night.Poor Jonathan is not very well liked. I don't like him that much either, but he hasn't really "betrayed" anyone any more than they all have. They should all realize by now that loyalty goes out the window if it means that you can better yourself. My favorite who I would like to see win is Ozzie. He is always so cheerful and not saying nasty things about everyone else. Actually Yul seems pretty decent too.

[ShainaT]

I like Yul a lot. He really is a mastermind. Last week when his tribe came in at a one person disadvantage he worked things out to be back in the majority and he STILL kept the immunity idol so he lost nothing and gained everything. I think he knows if he gets to the final two with anyone that he has an excellent shot of winning.

I am not a huge Jonathan fan but I was glad they didn't vote him out tonight. Those other 3 people are lazy and useless and it was the right thing IMO to vote one of them out.

[WhaddaDeal006]

I'm not certain that Jonathon is hated as much as it (and Jeff) tried to portray last night. Jeff (who I think has interacted (i.e. butted-in) too much on this episode) stated that it isn't 5 vs 2, but it is actually 4 vs 2 and 1 extra. Of the foursome/fivesome, none of them said anything negative about Jon. Only the "lazy" 3 were bashing on him (and the very recent evictee Nate...we have to remember it hasn't been a full week to them), not the other Aitu-4. So Jeff was incorrect with that statement, just as Jeff should not have asked Yul to show the immunity idol--maybe it was a ploy by Yul (we obviously know it wasn't, but that's not Jeff's call to show the others) to make them think he had the idol.

Is Jon well liked by anyone? Probably not....but it was only 3 people bashing on him, while the other 4 had his back, quietly. As the vote indicated and very well may continue to until Adam & Parv are gone, it is an alliance of 5 vs 3..2..1..until 0.


But my prediction: Look for some riff between Yul & Becky. Did you catch when Yul was talking to her about they (lazy3) wanted him to vote out Jon and they will remember that when it comes time to vote in the final....errrr...then he tried to change it back to they will remember it if he doesn't vote for Jon. Let's see if this plays around in Becky's mind for the next few days...

[TTMommy]

I agree that the commentary gets slanted at times, and that Jeff has a tendency to make statements that could potentially affect the game rather than merely acting as an unbiased host (like Phil on The Amazing Race or Chris on The Bachelor). I've noticed that in competitions, too, when he's doing a play-by-play that occasionally alerts one team to something the other is doing that could benefit them.

As far as the Yul-Becky thing goes, I think that all of them have to be thinking ahead at this point and realizing that tribal loyalty can go only so far. Eventually, they have to be considering taking to the final two not necessarily who's most deserving, but the person against whom they have the greatest chance of winning. If Yul and Becky ended up in the final two, I think Yul would win because he has played while she has coasted, but anyone would stand a better chance against Jonathan than any of their "nicer" tribemates.

Yul and Ozzie are my favorites, Yul because he's so smart and strategic (as well as strong) and Ozzie because he's such an amazing physical competitor; I was glad to see Ozzie starting to play a tiny bit more of a mental game this past episode, considering other options (though nothing came of it) and not just knee-jerk agreeing with his alliance. It gives him more depth, I think, and makes him more attractive as a prospective winner.

[hattielee]

Originally Posted by WhaddaDeal006

But my prediction: Look for some riff between Yul & Becky. Did you catch when Yul was talking to her about they (lazy3) wanted him to vote out Jon and they will remember that when it comes time to vote in the final....errrr...then he tried to change it back to they will remember it if he doesn't vote for Jon. Let's see if this plays around in Becky's mind for the next few days...

I totally agree. I immediately thought Yul shot himself in the foot. Yul seemed to make it perfectly clear to Becky he was going to be the winner and she was just along for the ride.

[WhaddaDeal006]

What did Ozzy do....about thinking about the game, not just following along? I believe you..I just don't remember lol


I'm not sure about Becky, but I don't think the "lazy3" ever have really started playing the game lol. If they had, just as recent as two episodes ago, they would have eliminated Ozzy instead of insisting on voting for Yul. But, I think that the only two people left that could possibly beat Jonathon in the final two are Yul and Ozzy. If Jon takes anyone else to the final two, he will have to win it. That is, unless Becky or Sundra (is she still in there? LOL...haven't seen hardly anything from her since, well, I don't know when) can start playing the game and put themselves in a position of deserving to win as Jon and Yul have.