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Old 09-20-2001, 11:30 AM
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ON MONDAY, ON TUESDAY.....

ON MONDAY..............
ON TUESDAY........

On Monday there were people fighting against praying in schools
On Tuesday you would have been hard pressed
to find a school where someone was not praying

On Monday there were people trying to separate each other
by race, sex, color and creed
On Tuesday they were all holding hands

On Monday we thought that we were secure
On Tuesday we learned better

On Monday we were talking about heroes as being athletes
On Tuesday we relearned what hero meant

On Monday people went to work at the World Trade Center as usual
On Tuesday they died

On Monday people were fighting the 10 commandments on government property
On Tuesday the same people all said 'God help us all'
while thinking 'Thou shall not kill'

On Monday people argued with their kids about picking up their room
On Tuesday the same people could not get home fast enough
to hug their kids

On Monday people picked up McDonalds for dinner
On Tuesday they stayed home

On Monday people were upset that their dry cleaning was not ready on time
On Tuesday they were lining up to give blood for the dying

On Monday politicians argued about budget surpluses
On Tuesday grief stricken they sang 'God Bless America'

On Monday we worried about the traffic and getting to work late
On Tuesday we worried about a plane crashing into
your house or place of business

On Monday we were irritated that our rebate checks had not arrived
On Tuesday we saw people celebrating people dying in the USA

On Monday some children had solid families
On Tuesday they were orphans

On Monday the president was going to Florida to read to children
On Tuesday he returned to Washington to protect our children

On Monday we emailed jokes
On Tuesday we did not



It is sadly ironic how it takes horrific events to place things into perspective, but it has. The lessons learned, the things we have taken for granted, the things that have been forgotten or overlooked, hopefully will never be forgotten again.

On Monday - pray and be thankful
On Tuesday - pray and be thankful
On Wednesday - pray and be thankful
On Thursday - pray and be thankful
On Friday - pray and be thankful
On Saturday - pray and be thankful
On Sunday - pray and be thankful


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I am so saddened by recent posts - posts that have appeared on this board when they should have not - posts that have condemned others for not believing the same as others... posts claiming their way is the only way and all others are damned.

Well, I for one must say to you all - all those that perished in this latest horrific event are in heaven with God and there is NOTHING any of you can say to convince me otherwise.

Please take stock in humanity - please take stock in life and the beauty of what it was meant for - please understand that we are a diverse community and we should all be appreciated for our differences - just stop spewing hatred based on differences.
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Thank-you for posting this-so true. It hit me right in the heart(had to stop reading and come back to it because I was crying so hard.)- one day changed all our lives forever
I haven't been around to read the other post- guess I'm kind of glad. I just know I'm glad to live in America- where we can all agree to be different and still be Americans.
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Old 09-20-2001, 11:49 AM
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Oh babe..simply beautiful and so true.
We've seen this happen so many times right here...one simple post asking "WHY" we felt the way we do turned into ppl. saying they believed they were right and others were wrong. That's not what the poster was asking..she simply wanted to know WHY we believe the way we did..not try to change my way of thinking. Do you believe because you actually put it all under great scrutiny, because it was the way you were raised, because it just feels right (yeah, I know Mayor that just burns your butt, but some ppl. simply just "feel") or maybe because of an event or person in your life that turned your heart around. That part was ignored to a fault, Yes, that question was a very personal opinion..how you come about your beliefs was asked for..again, not a means to "convert" people or bash their ideas, beliefs and so forth. I think some ppl. being blamed for taking it "too personally" are actually the scapegoats for those who take it upon themselves to say who's going to ****. It wasn't a type of test. You didn't pass or fail..you just shared!!!!
WOW..where did this all come from? I have no idea, but not sorry I said it and I managed from saying BITE ME..lol! Sorry I couldn't leave the post without some goofy "antidote"..
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Yes, one day has changed all our lives. What an impact. Thanks for sharing.
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Tigs, thank you for sharing that with us. Its almost so sad that it is true!

Last night, while watching TV, I saw that they had found 3 people in the towers, who had died holding hands.

I gotta tell Tig, I feel confident that they were not thinking about who was what religion. I will always think that God loved them equally and accepted them with open arms.
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Tiggers Lady, you are always able to succintly state exactly what I am feeling. MY God loves each of us. MY God is forgiving and merciful. MY God looks inside our hearts and lives there with us. MY God isn't vengeful.

Our country was founded on freedom of religion. So many people seem to forget that. I may not hold the same beliefs as you or anyone else on this board. But I am glad that we all are entitled to our opinions (under the Constitution) and have the freedom to worship whomever and however we choose.
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TIGGS..now why did you get me to thinking..?!?!?! LOL! You know as well as I do that it can be very dangerous..LOL! Here's what my thought was, well..it's really more of a question...I wonder how many friendships some people have missed out on because they have judged soley on something other than "just the person"? ...Now my heads starting to hurt..you owe me some Motrin! LOL!

I had to add this..I totally understand that a person's heritage, religion etc..plays a part in who they are, BUT say for example..I'll use Tiggs and I since I'm certain I'm safe..lol!...say I was brought up to believe those of Jewish faith was just full of hype and misconception..but Tiggs and I met and a school function and hit it off great..we're hanging out all the time, but later she says something about one of "her" Holidays and it hits me that her beliefs are totally different than mine (they're not mind you)..because of this..I start distancing myself and we never fully get to explore the friendship in it's entirety. Certainly this makes no sense JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T EMBRACE THE SAME RELIGION/FAITH. I would be depriving myself and my kids if I felt the need to shun and bash another's religion.
To tell you the truth...if I ever told someone they were going to be damned for an eternity because they didn't believe in "my God"...I hope they say BITE ME and smack my head off JMO of course
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Do you believe because you actually put it all under great scrutiny, because it was the way you were raised, because it just feels right (yeah, I know Mayor that just burns your butt, but some ppl. simply just "feel") or maybe because of an event or person in your life that turned your heart around.
Why would you think it "burns my butt"? Each person is responsible for his or her own choices. If you want to base your beliefs on what you "feel", its none of my business. I'm just saying that personally, I am unable to do that. My feelings change day to day, often moment by moment. For me personally, I would consider myself foolish to base truth on something that is in a constant state of flux. So I opt for evidence and facts. I have found the Socratic method of logical deduction, applied to real knowledge, to be far more reliable than my feelings. I can easily prove this, but I have yet to find any takers up to the challenge at TruthSoup.com. Personally, I think people are afraid to have their beliefs challenged. It was a tremendous shock to me when I was faced with the notion of discarding my worldview. But I'm glad I did. The truth is that it's much easier to believe what we want to believe because it fits within our worldview, or it makes us "feel" good.

That's my personal opinion. :-)

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Geesh Mayor..don't take it so personally ..I was just stating what you have repeated oodles of times..you don't base on feelings..you just the want "facts"..that's all Not JMO..that's a fact
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Without any feeling tho we would screw ourselves..JMO

Fact..it's been 9 days since the WTC crumbled...

Fact..it's safe to say the surivors will probably be next to nil..

Fact..no survivors have been found since the 2nd. day..

Fact..the most crucial time is within the first 48 hours..

Fact..rescuers are tired, uncomfortable, emotionally drained and missing they're own families...

I could go on, but the point's still there..

Feeling..we must keep looking even tho that FACTS are stacked against us. .
..so sometimes just because we FEEL something is right, doesn't make you ignorant..it makes us COMPASSIONATE! That there is JMO

I may be compassionate...and I may also feel passionate about about my beliefs..lookie there..comPASSIONATE.
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Please, please, the prayer is public school debate has been mute since a Presidential Commission published released guidelines concerning praying in public schools.

Now is not the time to divide us over old, stale, issues.
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Just wanted to add...
Not looking for a debate..I'd hate to see Tiggs post being dragged thru the mud
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hey Tiggers - what about the terrorists? Are they too in heaven?
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