Clintons! UGH!

[sweetcindy]

Just got this email...I love it LOL
______________________________________________________________
DATE: MARCH 1, 2001
FROM: JERRY FALWELL

A LEADER THIS TAINTED SHOULD RESIGN: I have always attempted to be
politically consistent. If a Republican administration were ever as
corrupt and dishonorable as the Clinton administration, I truly
believe I would be just as vocally critical against it as I have
been against the recently-departed White House command.

In 1998, when it became evident that House Speaker-designate Bob
Livingston had participated in extramarital relationships while
serving in the Congress, I immediately announced that he was unfit
to serve as speaker. Days before the House impeachment vote in
December 1998, Mr. Livingston - aware that Hustler Publisher Larry
Flynt had funded the investigation of his sexual dalliances -
announced that he was stepping down from his House post, encouraging
President Clinton to do the same. It was the right thing to do. It
was the honorable thing to do. President Clinton - unfamiliar with
honor - remained in office.

No matter how much I may appreciate the policies of a political
leader, if they betray their trust with their constituency and the
American public, it is imperative that I do not compromise my
position as a religious leader by attempting to strike a political
balance and justify their actions. If such compromises are struck,
the expectations our nation has for its political leaders are
weakened and our citizens begin to forgive deeper and deeper levels
of transgressions.

We have been eyewitnesses to such a scenario. The majority of
supporters of Bill and Hillary Clinton have, for eight years,
continued to turn a blind eye to escalating examples of the first
couple's political profiteering. As long as their wallets remained
thick, many of our fellow Americans were content to enable the
Clintons' habitual misconduct.

I believe the present "Pardongate" scandal can be directly traced to
the enabling of the Clintons. Since he believed that a large
percentage of Americans would sustain their support of his
administration - seemingly no matter what sins he embraced - Mr.
Clinton felt empowered to grant last-minute pardons to the most
shocking array of criminals this side of a Quentin Tarantino film.

In addition to the high-profile pardon of fugitive-billionaire Marc
Rich, pardons were furnished to cocaine distributors (Carlos Vignali
and William Kennedy III), money launderers (Harvey Weinig),
embezzlers (Arnold Paul Prosperi), kidnappers (Harvey Weinig),
frauders (John Bustamante), defrauders of government programs (four
men from a Hasidic Jewish community), tax evaders (Dorothy Rivers,
who stole federal money intended for programs to help homeless
families to buy herself furs and a Mercedes-Benz for her son) and
child molesters (former Democrat Rep. Mel Reynolds).

The list of pardoned individuals prompted DeRoy Murdock to state,
"Bill Clinton's soft spot for hardened criminals is a national
disgrace."

But Pardongate is not just the president's problem. New York Sen.
Hillary Rodham Clinton has also found herself squarely in the middle
of this disgraceful pardons-for-cash scandal. Her brother profited
$400,000 following the pardons, before claiming he gave some of it
back. While Mrs. Clinton has denied influencing the decision of her
husband in pardoning her brother's pals so her brother could profit,
she has incessantly been at the center of the fund-raising scandals
at the White House.

With that in mind, Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton recently
asked how likely it is that Mrs. Clinton was completely out of the
pardons-for-cash loop? "Not very," was his uncomplicated reply.
Even some of the Clintons' most ardent supporters have a similar
notion and are now calling for Mrs. Clinton's scalp. On Wednesday,
the New York Observer editorialized, "With the nation and indeed the
world watching, we [New Yorkers] entrusted her with the U.S. Senate
seat once held by Robert F. Kennedy and Daniel Patrick Moynihan. It
is clear now that we have made a terrible mistake, for Hillary
Rodham Clinton is unfit for elective office. Had she any shame, she
would resign. If federal officeholders were subject to popular
recall, she'd be thrown out of office by springtime, the season of
renewal."

The notably liberal newspaper warned that the Clintons have "fooled
the public before. They believe they can do so again. ... And so it
will be up to New York, finally, to foil the calculations of this
coarse and manipulative couple."

Those are powerful words - words the Clintons are not used to having
hurled in their direction.

In addition, Bob Herbert, whom Fox News Channel identified as the
most liberal columnist at the New York Times, has implicated Mrs.
Clinton in the scandal. Mr. Herbert wrote that the Democratic Party
fabricated "the equivalent of a pact with the devil" in supporting
Mr. Clinton and "in the process it lost its bearings and maybe even
its soul."

"The Clintons can spin this however they want," he said. "But the
simple truth is that the way in which some of the pardons were
granted seems to fit neatly with the standard definition of a bribe,
which is the promise of money or gifts - something of value - to
influence the action or behavior of an official. ... The Clintons
may or may not be led away in handcuffs someday. But whatever
happens with the criminal investigations, it's time for the
Democratic Party to wise up. Ostracism would be a good first step.
Bill Clinton should be cut completely loose."

Furthermore, a surprising number of New York voters say they don't
believe Hillary Rodham Clinton was unaware of the involvement of her
brother and her campaign treasurer - in presidential pardons, a new
poll said, with a majority thinking she acted unethically or
illegally (Marist Institute for Public Opinion). Of course,
politicians frequently recover from poor public opinion polls, but
it is readily apparent that Mrs. Clinton's image has been seriously
- and quite probably permanently - tarnished.

Mrs. Clinton should indeed - for once - do what is in the best
interest of her constituency and step down. However, I imagine
that, like her husband, she will continue to tout her purity of
heart and maintain her innocence while the residue from the pardon-
for-cash venality continues to reek to the high heavens.

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[cinifini]

That was just too good, and too funny, and TOOOOOO true! Thanks for sharing that one!

[miriama59]

First, I find Jerry Falwell a joke. Second, I wish people would get over Clinton's sex life. Third, Bush is the one who terrifies the he** out of me. Fourth, I like Hilary. I admit that Bill Clinton has made some serious mistakes. But I stand by the fact that I believe he was a great president. I am so tired of the attacks on the Clinton administration. We shall see what happens with Hilary's brother. I, for one, know what it is like to have corrupt relatives and don't believe I should be judged by them. I am sure I will be attacked for this statement. So be it.

[lightning1966]

I couldn't have said it better myself! Thanks miriama59!!! You go girl!!!!!

[karenpe]

Originally posted by miriama59
I am sure I will be attacked for this statement. So be it.

Miriama~
Sad but true!! When someone posts something I feel that we all should be able to give our opinion on the subject whether we agree or disagree with the other posters, without being bashed for giving our opinion. Whether it be the poster or postees who doesn't agree with others views on the subject.

I have seen lots of threads get closed because it turns into a big debate and some people get a little too emotional. I feel you should read the other replies, post your opinion and that should be that, not to come back later and see someone hasn't liked your opinion and decides to let you know about it in a "not so nice way". We are adults here people, let's respect everyone for their own individual opinion and let it go at that!!

[The Bunny]

Yes, Miriama! I am tired of hearing all the Clinton bashing. He's no longer president, so let's let it rest. (And no, I am not a Democrat. I am also not a Republican. I choose a candidate and not a party.) But the "Moral Majority" is NEITHER.

[cashhound]

Thank you Kirsten!!!!

I personally have a difficult time paying any attention at all to Falwell. Isn't this a case of the pot calling the kettle black? Who is he to condemn the Clintons...or anyone else for that matter.

Bill is out of office. Hillary is New York's problem. I wish everyone would just let it go.

[csmommy]

While I find it hard to believe the Clintons, I am so sick of hearing about them.

As for Jerry Falwell, I haven't the time nor the inclination to waste my breath talking about him. Suffice it to say: YUCK!

[Mouse7088]

Oh boy...I guess I'll leave myself open for this one too..lol..I agree..Clinton may not have been much of a husband or even a man for that matter, but as President- I think we could have done MUCH MUCH worse. Actually, I believe some of us have lived long enough to tell that tale. More to the point, I don't give a rats butt what goes on between the President, his wife and however many girlfriends he decides to have..that's not any more my business than if it was my next door neighbor, unless of course it involved my partner..which I don't think I have to worry about that
Karen you're right, we're all adults and should be able to handle ourselves in a mature fashion..let's just hope it stays this way..BTW, I am so sick of adding "Just my opinion, not meaning any offense etc.."..I remember a time when you could come in here and state your opinion w/o having someone knawing at your jugular vein..ahhh..the good old days..lol
With that said..have a good nite folks

[jon_th]

I believe the Clintons can be charming, and they're capable of wonderful, remarkable deeds. I also believe they're morally bankrupt, and better suited to prison stripes than public office. Some people are worried about Bush, and they may be right to worry; but Clinton gave China the ability to reach the U.S. with nuclear weapons delivered by long-range missiles.


* "U.S. satellite companies helped China "perfect" its strategic missiles through technology transferred with the approval of the Clinton administration, according to a senior House member.

Rep. Dana Rohrabacher said Beijing's strategic rockets were unable to target the United States effectively five years ago but benefited greatly in the past several years by acquiring technology with both commercial and military applications.

"I am very sad to say [the Chinese] now have the capability of landing nuclear weapons in the United States and we are the ones who perfected their rockets," the chairman of the House Science subcommittee on space and aeronautics said in a floor speech Thursday.

...A secret Pentagon report on the companies' technology transfer determined that "United States national security has been harmed," according to U.S. officials who have seen thereport.

Mr. Rohrabacher said Mr. Clinton and his administration"have been doing everything they can to quash the investigation."

...It also "put us all in the crosshairs of a communist government which, thanks to this assistance, now has the ability not just to put satellites into space but to deliver nuclear weapons to a majority of American cities," he said.

A CIA report sent to senior U.S. policymakers last month said that China now has 13 of its 18 long-range CSS-4 strategic missiles pointed at the United States.

Mr. Rohrabacher said his investigation into the matter was prompted by an executive from a U.S. aerospace company involved in "upgrading" the Chinese missile capability, who said the firm was operating under a "national security waiver" signed by President Clinton. Mr. Rohrabacher said later in an interview that the company was Motorola Corp. He did not identify the executive.

*excerpted from The Washington Times, 5/4/98; [Only registered and activated users can see links. Either login above or Register Now]

[sweetcindy]

It is just amazing to me that with all the facts presented to the public...they continue to be fooled beyond belief.

[jon_th]

sweetcindy,

I don't understand either, but a discussion in that direction would be sure to offend.

I was very sorry to hear about your health problems.

Best wishes

[sweetcindy]

Thank you jon I don't wish to discuss it either...my opinion is never popular and everyone lashes out at me! LOL That is ok, I can take it! LOL
Thanks again for your kindness.

Cindy

[blueaguave]

Juanita Broderick, Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey. Just where the **** is Patricia Ireland and the other feminazis.

[Mouse7088]

With all respect Cindy, IO don't believe anyone was "lashing" out at you. You posted, we gave our opinions, but I know that saying " It is just amazing to me that with all the facts presented to the public...they continue to be fooled beyond belief." doesn't help further your point by any means. I personally take offense to being referred to as "fooled"....especially when it's because I refuse to bow down and change my own beliefs or opinion to suit another. It's statements like that made to insult people and their opinion that get threads closed. You also made the comment "my opinion is never popular and everyone lashes out at me!"...you're making this a personal issue by insulting anyone's opinion that deters from your own, if there's any lashing out it will be because you continue to insult people when they DON'T agree.