WoooHOOOOO! Who's excited about the CHECKS Coming this summer?

[bwsmom]

My hubby's taking the money and using it for his filing fee to become a US citizen!!! Why?? Because he's OODLES happier with the way things are in America than in his former country, the socialist-run Canada. (Please note: I'm NOT knocking Canadians here!) He can give you chapter and verse on why things are so much better here! I'm proud of him and glad that the money is coming at the right time to give him the opportunity to put it towards something that will make him so happy. So I guess, in a sense, we'll be giving the money right back to the government via the filing fee, but we're happy to do so. And I agree with monkee that there are PLENTY of people out there who are happy to just sit back and collect their weekly welfare check without any intentions of doing one minute's worth of work for it, and I'm not happy to have to pay for them to do so. We're a two-income family that ALWAYS gets the short end of the stick when it comes to taxes because we make "too much" to qualify for any reasonable discounts and "too little" to have anything we can itemize and deduct. We make charitable donations every chance we get plus tithing to our church (yes, we do have a faith and a darn strong one at that!). We just voted in a new property tax to help pay for our schools for another year. We do what we can when we can.... and it's awfully nice to get something back once in a while....


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[mayfly]

WOOOHOOO bwsmom! What a great post!

[Pipanella]

monkee and bwsmom, I applaud you both!

[Mouse7088]

Yep, I drive on the roads, which aren't in the best condition, but so do a heck of a lot of other people who don't pay a dime in taxes. By your reasoning, if you don't pay taxes, you should stay off the streets! If that happens, then I'll be glad to pay my share (since I'm paying more than my share now). Health care? Yep, we have it. And we pay quite a bit of money for it out of every paycheck. We also pay taxes that support health insurance for many people who don't pay taxes. It's called Medicaid. But, since I am fortunate enough to pay for my own insurance, I should also be paying for everyone else's?

"Imagine how the unemployed will fare?" What does that have to do with anything? It's not meant to be a long-term welfare payment. It's an advance on the child tax credit. No, it's not going to solve everyone's problems, but then no one thing can.

I, for one, will be more than happy to accept my $400.00 check which represents money I paid to the government, and spend it however I see fit. And if it pains you so much, you and the rest of the complainers can simply refuse to cash your checks and let the government keep the money to use as they see fit. It's ironic that you complain that the government misuses our tax money on defense spending, and yet you are outraged when they want to give it back to us. Just can't win with you, I guess. So take your check and give it to charity.

I will agree that there are people who are "less fortunate" than me. And yes, I feel sorry for them and do whatever I can to help them. However, not everyone who has "less" than me is "less fortunate". Sometimes, their situation is a result of their own choices and decisions. Sorry, but those kind of people are not my problem. What I do have a problem with are the socialists (masquerading as "democrats or liberals") who think that everyone should have the same as everyone else, regardless of whether or not they want to work for it. And of course, the evil people who do work and amass any kind of wealth at all should have to give up a huge chunk of that wealth and hand it over to the "less fortunate". So, yes, when I get to "get back" a whopping $400.00 of the thousands I pay in taxes, I'm taking it and smiling all the way to the bank.

My hubby's taking the money and using it for his filing fee to become a US citizen!!! Why?? Because he's OODLES happier with the way things are in America than in his former country, the socialist-run Canada. (Please note: I'm NOT knocking Canadians here!) He can give you chapter and verse on why things are so much better here! I'm proud of him and glad that the money is coming at the right time to give him the opportunity to put it towards something that will make him so happy. So I guess, in a sense, we'll be giving the money right back to the government via the filing fee, but we're happy to do so. And I agree with monkee that there are PLENTY of people out there who are happy to just sit back and collect their weekly welfare check without any intentions of doing one minute's worth of work for it, and I'm not happy to have to pay for them to do so. We're a two-income family that ALWAYS gets the short end of the stick when it comes to taxes because we make "too much" to qualify for any reasonable discounts and "too little" to have anything we can itemize and deduct. We make charitable donations every chance we get plus tithing to our church (yes, we do have a faith and a darn strong one at that!). We just voted in a new property tax to help pay for our schools for another year. We do what we can when we can.... and it's awfully nice to get something back once in a while....

Yep, yep and yep!


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[Mamalubear]

I am married with two kids...over 17...both in college! Do we get anything??? Anyone out there know the answer to that question?

[mayfly]

can you claim your kids as exemptions? or do they claim themselves? If you can then you will get back $800!

[Pipanella]

We were able to claim both of our kids last year because they were both students then. But I thought it was any child under 18 that you would get something back on for this thing.

[mayfly]

Its a dependent credit. They upped the credit from $600 per dependent (other than spouse) to $1000. So they are giving an advance of $400 per dependent. If you claimed your girls as dependents you will get the credit, from my understanding.

[Pipanella]

[Mamalubear]

very interesting...I just figured since they are over 17...
Yes, I claim both of them!

[Jwelch111]

Geez, all of the posts miss a main point: we and our children will "pay the piper" in the form of a higher deficit. Can you not see that this is a PROBLEM in our country's future? I see that you are all eagerly spending what amounts to pennies!! A deficit is a BAD thing, although Republicans are embracing it now. Was a time that they (Republicans) claimed a deficit WAS a bad thing. Please see the WHOLE picture of this tax cut, a giveaway to the obscenely wealthy, who do not need it.

[monkee]

Originally posted by Jwelch111
Geez, all of the posts miss a main point: we and our children will "pay the piper" in the form of a higher deficit. Can you not see that this is a PROBLEM in our country's future? I see that you are all eagerly spending what amounts to pennies!! A deficit is a BAD thing, although Republicans are embracing it now. Was a time that they (Republicans) claimed a deficit WAS a bad thing. Please see the WHOLE picture of this tax cut, a giveaway to the obscenely wealthy, who do not need it.

See, the problem here is that you are taking the theory or the possibility that the tax cut will have a negative effect and making it into an undisputed fact. This is your opinion (and yes, the opinion of some others) but there are at least as many people who see it the opposite way. So while you are entitled to your opinion, you can't say that everyone who disagrees "misses the point". They just look at the situation from a different perspective.

As for a "giveaway to the obscenely wealthy", I just can't fathom your reasoning here. First, in order for it to be a "giveaway", the money would have to have been someone else's to begin with. The money I am getting is money that I earned and paid to the government. It's a refund of a very small portion of that money, not a "giveaway". Second, I am not, nor do I even know anyone who is even wealthy, let alone obscenely wealthy. And I, for one, do need the extra 400 bucks, so I have no problem with getting it back. Unfortunately, we just heard yesterday that our health insurance costs are increasing again at work, so any tax cut that reduces our federal tax will probably be offset by the insurance increase. But at least I won't still be paying in what I am now on top of the insurance increase and that does help alot.

[Jwelch111]

Monkee: This tax cut, like the one before it, will reduce revenues coming IN to the federal government coffers. We do agree on THAT point...BUT, in my opinion, these tax cuts are hurting any necessary spending, in particular at this time of the highest priority, defense spending, in this administration. There simply isn't the money for the states' needs. I heard yesterday that Bush would sign the increase of the debt limit in private, no ceremony. But imagine the multi-pen ceremony when he signs the tax cut bill. Ironic, isn't it? The latter will only increase the former. No wonder it is signed in hidden quarters. There is not too much to be proud of, presiding over the HIGHEST DEBT IN OUR COUNTRY"S HISTORY: courtesy of ill-advised tax cuts AND adventures in an illegal INVASION and OCCUPATION of a sovereign country...Also, someday, please research the greater of the two: CORPORATE WELFARE and Social Welfare. Did you hear that WorldCom is getting a contract in the re-building of Iraq? How convenieeeent!!


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[mcshelll]

Jwelch111, I SOOO am with you. There is already a budget shortfall and the cost of the war and reconstruction would have blown even a balanced budget all to heck. People are so short sited. Bush is doing this just to make people like him. I complained to my dh just the other day, about most all you have said. BTW my dh is selfemployed and works his butt off. We have no insurance, because it is a choice between insurance and food. That also means we will get no money for our two kids, as we have no tax withheld to get a credit against. I live in the Ozarks and people work hard here, but are very poor. Jobs pay too low to support a family and most give no or poor benefits. A GOOD job would pay $7 an hour


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[monkee]

Yes, the tax cut will take money out of government coffers. However, the idea is to put that money back into the hands of the people who will spend it to boost the economy (and I'm not just talking about the consumers who will get a few hundred dollars this summer, but the businesses who can use the money saved to invest in their companies so that they can grow and produce more jobs.) I have no problem understanding your position on the matter, I just don't happen to agree. Time will tell, though, and I'm sure it will tell in plenty of time for the 2004 election.

I understand that there are many people who will not get the credit for their children because they don't pay any taxes. However, there are plenty of people who get earned income credit and get a nice "refund" check at the end of the year which is not in any way the money that they paid in. So while some can complain they are not getting any child tax credit, I could complain that I'm not getting any earned income credit.

I'm not trying to be rude or anything, and I hope you don't take it that way, but if your area is economically depressed (and I believe you when you say it is), is there some reason you couldn't move somewhere else where the job prospects are better? I know that many people believe there are no jobs to be had, but even where I live, which is considered to be economically depressed, there are many jobs for decent pay and the cost of living is pretty low.


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