Do you think that hypnosis brings out truths or can sometimes be false?

[3tbear]

Michael Jackson was hypnotized by a hypnotist who said that Michael said he did not molest that child. Is hypnosis a perfect science, or is it flawed, can what a person say be held as true or can it also be false? I don't know enough about hypnosis to make that judgement but perhaps you know of someone who has been hynotized. Personally I'd like to believe that Michael is innocent, however, he paid some family off in the past to keep quiet, so is that an admission of his guilt in this type of case, I really don't know what to think.

[MrsLisaP]

I have been put under several times for a medical condition I have, and just as my doc told me, it is NOT 100%, some people can't be hyponotized so they can fake it. Also it doesn't always bring out the truth, but what a person has made themselves believe is the truth.

The thing with crimes and hypnoisis is that sometimes the offender has made themselves believe the have done nothing wrong, and that is brought out as the "truth".

[3tbear]

Thank you for clarifying that for me.

[bestmidwest]

I was thinking that you can believe something enough that it's true to you and that would be what would come out in hypnosis.

I believe that Michael believes in his heart that he didn't molest that boy. I'm just not sure if he has lived in a "normal" enough environment to understand that his actions could be misconstrued.

Did you ever see the movie "Stir of Echoes" with Kevin Bacon?? That was a scary take on hypnotism.

[crazytimes]

Hypnosis is very dangerous.

It is possible that if someone is very succeptible you can actually "implant" memories that are not true.

I myself would NEVER be put under it. I don't think it would work on me either.

[YorkieLover]

[QUOTE=3tbear]Personally I'd like to believe that Michael is innocent, however, he paid some family off in the past to keep quiet, so is that an admission of his guilt in this type of case, I really don't know what to think.[/QUOTE]

I know that when lawyers get involved ... and if it's a case of no evidence, just your word against someone else's ... that oftentimes lawyers advise to 'settle the case' ... so that it's not a long, drawn out, expensive court fiasco. I think especially when it involves someone as famous as Michael Jackson, all that negative attention really damages his career. So, if he settles it in order to avoid more media attention, he's out of tons of money, and pretty soon it fades into the background. But, of course, it's almost human nature to think, "Well, if he paid all that money, he must have been guilty." So ... you can't win for losing, right? It's so hard sometimes to remind ourselves that he's innocent until proven guilty ... especially since it doesn't look like he learned any lessons from his 1993 troubles. I can see how he doesn't trust adults (someone's always trying to get something from him), and so he'd like to surround himself with the innocence of childhood, but, really, you'd think he would have become much more leery and careful about putting himself in certain situations.

Oh, sorry, about your topic - hypnosis - I haven't made my mind up about that. I think some people are highly suggestive and could be put in a state of mind to be hypnotized, and I think some people are much too cautious and resistant to it and wouldn't actually fall into that state. I do think some people could fake it pretty good, so in that sense, I don't think it should be allowed for legal processes.

[3tbear]

I saw a show given by a hypnotist and he told everyone in the audience he was going to try and hypnotize us. There were people who were hynotized, but I wasn't one of them. A lady near me wasn't either, she looked at me 'cause it was the same for her, no reaction to his suggestion.

You're right, you are innocent until proven guilty, and paying someone off also does not mean you are guilty, it could just be to settle things fast, get them out of sight from the publics eye.

[eldo]

I've never been hypnotized and really don't believe I could be. I've seen people on TV who looked like they were acting like it, but it didn't seem genuine.

[hwdcore]

Yup yup .. I don't think everyone have the same reaction toward hypnotis. Some of us are more sensitive about those things and some others are less sensitive.

[JenniferC]

I don't know but just a side note, I believe Michael Jackson IS innocent. What kind of family would take the money over justice for their child? If my child was truly molested I wouldn't want him to get away with it and continue to have children around him so he can keep doing it. And this time around the family that is accusing him is REALLY money hungry. The mother just blew through over 100,000. from a jcpenney lawsuit she won and even the father said he doesn't believe it.

[billsmrs]

I believe that a person can lie so much that they start to believe it is the truth.

In his case I don't doubt this is the case one bit. Obviously he didn't learn anything from his prior case so I have no sympathy whatsoever. BUT I think the parents are as much at fault because WHO in their right mind would allow their child over there after what happened in 1993?! But this is JMO.

[3tbear]

You're right, if it is true, then 1993 should have been a clue to these parents, they should have had enough common sense to know that they were not going to take that chance with their child, and yet they did.

Jen, I hadn't heard that about how the father doesn't believe a word of it.

[hypno_guy]

[QUOTE=crazytimes;772404]Hypnosis is very dangerous.

It is possible that if someone is very succeptible you can actually "implant" memories that are not true.

I myself would NEVER be put under it. I don't think it would work on me either.[/QUOTE]

More precisely, all memories are tainted - with or without hypnosis. This is because all of your memories have passed through your own personal filters on the way in and will pass again on the way out.

Scientifically shown in the lab, at any given instant, the average person is taking in approximately 2,000,000 pieces of information via the various senses. Yet - again, clinically proven, the average person can only process some 5 to 9 pieces of information at any given moment. The function of the subconsious mind is to DELETE from processing whatever is not momentarily essential. This does not mean the information is gone. Merely stored away as non-essential or "tossed in the bit bucket" as 'raw data'. i.e. it is just extremely indestinct data in the mind, and is not considered for processing. Now when you attempt to recall something, your subC makes countless decisions as to what to include in the recall. So the VERY BEST one can hope to recall is your own general take on what really happened.

As to hypnosis being dangerous - amusing if it weren't so absurd. Hypnosis is dangerous in the same way a hammer is dangerous. Yes, a hammer can kill someone if it is misused, including malicious intent. Hypnosis can also be misused in the same way. If you are not terrified of hammers, don't worry about hypnosis.

And finally, hypnosis works on virtually everyone who is not either brain-damaged or functioning with an IQ of less than 60. It is merely a matter of your own fear getting in your way. And, by the way, sounds like you have had some major hypnosis in your life.

[firetiger888]

[QUOTE=hypno_guy;929704]More precisely, all memories are tainted - with or without hypnosis. This is because all of your memories have passed through your own personal filters on the way in and will pass again on the way out.

Scientifically shown in the lab, at any given instant, the average person is taking in approximately 2,000,000 pieces of information via the various senses. Yet - again, clinically proven, the average person can only process some 5 to 9 pieces of information at any given moment. The function of the subconsious mind is to DELETE from processing whatever is not momentarily essential. This does not mean the information is gone. Merely stored away as non-essential or "tossed in the bit bucket" as 'raw data'. i.e. it is just extremely indestinct data in the mind, and is not considered for processing. Now when you attempt to recall something, your subC makes countless decisions as to what to include in the recall. So the VERY BEST one can hope to recall is your own general take on what really happened.

As to hypnosis being dangerous - amusing if it weren't so absurd. Hypnosis is dangerous in the same way a hammer is dangerous. Yes, a hammer can kill someone if it is misused, including malicious intent. Hypnosis can also be misused in the same way. If you are not terrified of hammers, don't worry about hypnosis.

And finally, hypnosis works on virtually everyone who is not either brain-damaged or functioning with an IQ of less than 60. It is merely a matter of your own fear getting in your way. And, by the way, sounds like you have had some major hypnosis in your life.[/QUOTE]


Great post! You had many good points and seem to know about how peoples mind work. These are really interesting things and I would like to find out more. Sad that I didn't chose phsycology when I started highschool.

About the hypnosis, I belived many years that it didn't exist. I saw few TV-programs where people were put sleep with hypnosis. It just didn't look real and I thought that the people in the show were faking the whole thing. After hearing more about this, I have come to conclusion that the hypnosis exist, but it isn't the same hypnosis we see in movies (people are hypnotized to steal banks - lol).


Welcome to DOD hypno_guy. In future, don't bump 2-3 years old threads. Thanks :)