Should a Death Row Inmate Get an Organ Transplant?

[freesurfer]

In all reality though, what difference does it make if we as taxpayers have to pay for this? We give prisoners everything they want anyway. Half of them live better then most of us. BUT....what if they were pardoned? And we didn't try to save them?

I still think though that they do not deserve to be given the gift of life when they've harmed another life.
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[monkee]

I, too, had thought about the possibility that he could be pardoned or get a re-trial. However, the chances of that happening are extremely slim (almost non-existent). Therefore, I would think if it came down to a choice between him and someone else, it should go to the person who is more likely to survive long-term and would benefit from it the most, not the person who will likely be put to death in any event.
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[Shainie]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by freesurfer [/i]
[B] Half of them live better then most of us. BUT....what if they were pardoned? And we didn't try to save them?
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I'd have to guess you've never been in prison. Other than maybe the homeless, I'm positive we all live better than they do. (A old friend of mine is on Death Row in Florida - trust me, it's no picnic. that place can make even the most sane person go insane).

And my answer to the topic at hand NO WAY IN ****.

Why should we give someone a kidney who is on death row? That is just a slap in the face of all those who are waiting for a kidney . . . "I'm sorry Mr. Jones, father of 5 and model citizen, we're giving this kidney to a death row inmate who (murdered, raped, tortured, whatever) so-and-so."
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[billsmrs]

I saw a case like this on tv once on we the jury. Personally I say he does NOT deserve it. After all, it is not like HE is paying for having it done for one and for another well, he is in jail for a reason. If there is someone else out there who is a perfect match and needs it then give it to them. After all they are not in jail and they can contribute to society unlike this guy in jail. JMO.
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[NaomiMarie]

DEATH ROW, what a joke anyway. They stay there for years......
Explain to me why it is that they are allowed to eat, sleep and even breathe for that matter considering what they have done (murder,etc). Their victims don't have that option, they're DEAD!

Let 'em burn in ****, make it a slow painful death (none of this elec. chair stuff, too quick). I want them to suffer. They deserve to suffer.

Forgiveness ? Nahhhhhhhhhh, I'm all for a life for a life!
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[freesurfer]

MO.....don't they get all the luxeries they want in prisons? TV's, pool tables, good meals, No worries?? To me that is living good. But I see the flip side of living there too.The danger and all.
But there was a movie out about someone who was pardoned down to the last minute and so it could happen.
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[AndersonGal]

The only way I would support this is IF it was an experimental operation that could benefit the rest of mankind by the findings.

Otherwise, NO WAY!
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[beffie]

From the article:

" UMATILLA, Oregon, May 28 (Reuters) -...The cash-strapped state, struggling to provide basic education and health care to its citizens, pays $120,000 a year to clean Reyes-Camarena's blood with a dialysis machine at Umatilla State Prison. That treatment could continue for a decade as he appeals his death sentence imposed for the 1996 murder of an 18-year-old woman.

The $100,000 operation could save the state money but would deprive someone outside prison of a life-giving organ."




This is in Oregon. The article says that the state is paying $120,000 a YEAR to give this guy medical treatment. The kidney transplant would cost about $100,000 (and any follow up medical needs would most likely be a lot less than $120,000.)... So if people are looking at this from the "save the taxpayers money" point of view... The transplant would actually be saving the state/taxpayers money.

And how many "not so good, BUT wealthy enough" people get organ transplants each year... When there are a lot of "morally deserving" people that die each year because they can not afford the medical costs???

Personally I believe the fact that anyone can put a price on whether or not to save a person's life is one of the most heinous acts a person can commit.

But there is also another side of this to consider, what are the statistics that this guy would have a successful operation AND recovery? A lot of transplants "go bad"... the receipiant's body rejects the organ and they can even die due to this. Or complications arise during the operation and the patient can die... So there is even the possibility that if this guy were given the "life saving operation", it could actually kill him.
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[beffie]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by AndersonGal [/i]
[B]The only way I would support this is IF it was an experimental operation that could benefit the rest of mankind by the findings. [/B][/QUOTE]

A lot of prisoners that have "life sentances" to serve end up donating their bodies to science. Due to this there is a chance to use the cadavers to "medically experiment"... Which is a help to medical advancements.
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[beffie]

I'm sorry, but I have a somewhat personal interest in this... My Dad is currently undergoing medical tests to determine the cause of some health problems he has... One main possibility is that he many lose the use of his kidney. In 1981 he lost a kidney, and only has one remaining. And due to this and the fact that he just turned 71 in March, his doctors have already informed him that a kidney transplant would be out of the question. They said that a younger recipiant would be considered before him.


Age, criminal history... What next???
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[mayfly]

I agree that we can't say who is deserving of a kidney or not, based on the general public. But we are talking about someone who has tortured, murdered and/or raped a person. Could have been your daughter, my daughter. We are not talking in general of a bad person. Someone who takes a life should not even get kidney dialisis, in my humble opinion. Treat the pain until he goes.
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[mayfly]

I am feeling more emotional about this by the minute. We are such a money driven country.

So the scenario could be that a father with 4 kids to raise will be passed up because he does not have money, but this convict will get it, just to have his sentence fulfilled later on.


Again I stand by my original thought; if the state wants to save money stop the dialisis. Have the family pay for it. If the family can't, well its just as fair to the inmate as to the father of 4 kids.
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[monkee]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by mayfly [/i]
[B]I agree that we can't say who is deserving of a kidney or not, based on the general public. But we are talking about someone who has tortured, murdered and/or raped a person. Could have been your daughter, my daughter. We are not talking in general of a bad person. Someone who takes a life should not even get kidney dialisis, in my humble opinion. Treat the pain until he goes.
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mayfly:
This is something else I was thinking about. Why is this guy getting dialysis in the first place? I can understand giving inmates [B]basic[/B] medical care, but when you get into these kinds of treatments, if they (or their families) can't pay for it, then they shouldn't get it. I'd be curious to know if this man could afford to have this treatment were he not in prison. If not, why should he get more while in prison than he would get if he were outside?

[mayfly]

Thats what my dh said when we were talking about that first scenario with the dad and kids. He said if the dh was refused treatment because he had no money he would be better off committing a crime to get into prison!
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[aprilgail]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by NaomiMarie [/i]
[B]
Call me cold ..........
But, if someone committed a henious act (worthy of being on death row) their sorry butt deserves to suffer ....... [/B][/QUOTE]

DITTO...and the more they suffer the better...they can sit there in their pain thinking of their victims!!
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