Arbonne users, not sellers please

[genuineorganics]

Hi ladies,
I have been reading the post with much interest. I myself used to be an arbonne district manager until i really realized what i was using. I really had no idea all the major chemicals arbonne has in it. I did my research and got out quick. I found a company that sells only Certified Organic to food grade standards skin care body care and health care products. They are the only company in the world who is fully certified by 2 3rd party certifiers to usda standards as well. Kat i saw you talking about jasons and avalons products. They are good but still have some chemicals in them..jasons uses parabens and i believe avalons does as well..that is why i only use Miessense FRom Organic and Natural Enterprise Group. Now this isnt meant to be an advertisement lol im just wanting to share with you ladies an amazing product that really is what it says it is. The company is sooo "green" and environmental sound and concious. Check out my website to look at the products and ingredients..its pretty awesome. Again im not trying to sell anyone..but share with people something that has really worked for me and my skin..with no chemicals at all. Id love feedback on what you think about the product.
candace
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[katlnhats]

Hi,

I'd love to make all my products and yes I do make them all, without preservatives, but in skin care, it's not legal. Totally against the law. Soaps, you can get away with as they wash off, UNLESS you're using things such as real fruits in them, cucumbers (blended up), which are very good for your skin, but bacteria will grow in no time. I'm not crazy at all about parabens either, and there is one preservative out there that doesn't have any -- it's still chemicals though. The "good" thing about preservatives (since there actually is one), is that the usage is between .5%-1% to total product.
I took a good look at your website and what it's saying is totally wrong. They're over-inflating the preservative/chemical percentage and in the USA, the products you're selling don't meet FDA or our Cosmetic Industrys guidelines. Which is a shame as you've got some great ingredients in them - but, without that little bit of preservation, you can truly hurt yourself or anyone who uses them. Have you taken a course in this? If not, please consider doing so, as what you're offering is dangerous.
Let me put it another way, we'd "all" love to have 100% organic/no preservative products for our skin, face creams, especially, but it's dangerous and not legal in the states. Doubt it ever will be as it takes no time at all for bacteria to grow without them. Unless they come up with an essential oil that smells not much, or good (they thought they had, but it didn't work), till then, preservatives are required by law. And I do agree with you that many companys overdo the preservatives, but they don't NEED to, the usage rate is actually very small, as I said above.
And I see that you're not making the products, another company is, you're a reseller, but it's still not legal in any sense of the word. I make mine and what requires preservation, gets it, at a very small amount, what's required by our laws here, and also in other countrys. Nobody wants to get sick from spoiled, bacteria-ridden products. That's outright scary, though so is over-preservation.
Thanks for posting, I think we need to be somewhere in the middle between the other company and yours - if you're truly interested in this type of thing, take a few courses and try making your own, they're much better if you use the right amount of preservative, so small, and it's not enough to affect you in any way. I have Multiple Chemical Sensitivitys, but I'm also allergic (very) to molds and bacteria, therefore, I couldn't use either the Arbonne products or yours. Please check this out before someone really gets hurt.

Kat

[genuineorganics]

wow kat it sounds as if you have been very!!! misinformed about organics and the certification process and about preservatives. How can Burt's Bees, Aubrey Organics & Suki's Naturals have products on the shelves without chemical preservatives? Plus, nope, we are not going by the cosmetic industry's standards, but by the USDA's standards of certified organics.

There are natural preservatives, such as citric acid, antioxidant vitamins grapefruit seed extract, tea tree oil.... all are natural preservatives. Yes, we have to have preservatives but they don't have to be synthetic chemicals to be considered preservatives. miessences uses these ingredients to NATURALLY preserve the product but not compromising it. Our product comes with a shelf date on it of 18 months from conception. If i were you i would take "some classes" on natural products and what IS the "law" and what isnt. Sorry that you are so wrong on this situation. There is plenty of research on our website for you to read.
thanks
candace

[katlnhats]

Hi,
There are no "natural preservatives", other than grain alcohol, if you want to count that. Personally, I don't as it's got to be shipped HAZMAT, and is about 200 proof. And yes, I've used it or tried it and never could get past the smell, no matter what I put in it.
I am not misinformed, I've been doing this for over 20 years and could name so many articles (and books) written by Certified Aromatherapists that I can't even begin to list them -- fyi, the vitamins you mentioned are anti-toxiants, which are not preservatives. They will extend the life of your product prior to it going bad, that's all.
I've taken many classes and study never stops. Classes and Certifications: Aromatherapy, Perfumery, Herbology, Reiki, Blending, Preservation of products and many others which actually only was suggested to you as a good thing, nothing bad meant by it.
Also, quickly in the above posts for products, fragrances are listed, instead of essential oils or essential oil blends, which makes them synthetic in part to begin with and therefore, not natural -- many people are sensitive to fragrance oils, myself included.
Tea Tree is an essential oil, but is not in any way, a preservative. I use it as I have many, many oils as I make many things and have done so for over 20 years. I've also taught, so I "do" know what I'm talking about, but let me put it this way - if you're happy with what you're selling, then that's great - same as with Arbonne. Neither are all-natural, and there's a vast difference by being third or second party certified by the United States Department of Agriculture, which normally certifys foods, but would never pass the rigorous standards of the Natural Cosmetic Industry, or the more rigorous standards of the IMDA - a group for professional aromatherapists.
With that said, I do apologize to you for upsetting you which it certainly seems I did, and I was trying to help you as you were concerned about Arbonne. Again, thanks for your post, and since this is going nowhere I'm going to close the thread. Take care,
Kat

PS - Feel free to take this off forum and pm me with any comments, questions, etc's...