Is Agel honest and ethical?

[Reprobate]

Originally Posted by teo31313

If you can't respond and answer the above question in detail then its obvious that there is juts some whining going on...

me/ chuckles

A tactic of baiting?

"Answer this or you're a..."

I don't need to fix something that is broken. I didn't start this thread. I don't have an ulterior motive for representing another MLM as you asserted in a previous post. I was a member before this thread was created, I didn't come across it presumably by doing a search for 'agel' via Google.

Someone started a thread about Agel and then I shared my experience.

I don't need to share my experience in explicit detail with someone who misquotes, misreads and certainly someone who doesn't heed an infraction. First post back and you're already pushing the line with "let go of your victim mentality...".

I have people who still ask me about Agel. "How's it going?" or "Tell em about Agel". And my reply is balanced.

I tell them briefly about what happened to me. Unless there's time and I tell them in more detail. I also point out someone who is just a few houses away from me and just how well they are going. I don't know about recently but this couple had been in the Top Twenty Agel Earners GLOBALLY.

I tell people that if you have a drive and a passion for selling then you could work for them. And the ones it works for best have prior experience in MLM's. In fact if they have had success in other MLM's and they were to bring their whole downline with them (and even their upline) then they will make a killing (and I have seen this happen).

Not once have I said that my experience is one "endured by the masses".

Originally Posted by teo31313

also the DVD's and mag packs are not sold by Agel...they are sold by a completely different company...so you ARE WRONG in accusing Agel of that...

Again, I haven't commented on the DVD's. But speaking about the CD's and the magazines it was to come as part of the executive pack.

It took a month to get four boxes.

"But that's not an Executive pack!" I hear from the Agel Apologists.

That is correct.

It took a good while longer to get the next 12 boxes.

And even longer to get the training CD's and magazines.

There was also supposed to be some brochures and an Agel pin. A year and one month later I still haven't seen it.

I don't expect it.

It was a classic case of if anything can go wrong it did go wrong. There's a lot more than that, that's just some brief highlights.

Now my case isn't so isolated. The late delivery was also experienced by some others. But again, I will note, not "endured by the masses".

And now I'd like to ask a few questions. In my next post...

[Reprobate]

How much does it cost for the Retail Pack?

How much does it cost for the Executive Pack?

What is the cost of a box that you sell? (Each box is a 30 day supply, provided you only have one a day).

What are the levels in Agel? Manager, Director, etc.

What do you need to do to become a Manager?

How many boxes per month do you need to buy to stay eligible for your residual payments and bonuses?

[Reprobate]

Some clarifications and corrections..

Originally Posted by Reprobate

I was a member before this thread was created, I didn't come across it presumably by doing a search for 'agel' via Google.

I was a member of this forum before this thread was created...

Originally Posted by Reprobate

I have people who still ask me about Agel. "How's it going?" or "Tell em about Agel". And my reply is balanced.

"Tell me about Agel"

[teo31313]

You already know the answer to all of yuor questions...whats the point...

You are still being evasive...

Obviously I had done something wrong as to why they took months to deliver paraphenalia, and far too long to deliver product. Yes, I chased it up. That's when I learnt just how sloppy Customer Service is and a few home truths about my upline.

WHATS WRONG WITH YOUR UPLINE?

I am not baiting anything, you made a statement, now back it up.

I never stated that if you don't answer my question then your'e a....as you put it...try quoting an entire line and dont add to it...what do you work for CBS? Thats a tactic they employ...lets just stick to the truth...

So again, What your problem with your upline?

Remember the title to this thread "Is Agel Honest ansd Ethical" so if you are going to throw out a statement that obviously questions the integrity and honesty of a particular individual its only fair to that individual that you explain why you think that way....

So please stop evading and just answer...

[Throwin64]

Gentlemen:
I am about one more combative post from closing this entire thread down. This has moved beyond dicussion of the company to petty bickering over minutia, and it needs to stop NOW.

Teo;
You haven't made a single other post here at DoD except in this thread. Are you really here to be a constructive member of this forum, or do you have another agenda? You are asking for personal information from another member. You are using combative language and insults that are simply not necessary. You have already received one infraction for the above. Please don't push for hasher sanctions. You support Agel, and have had success with it. We get it.

Reprobate;
You have shared an experience as is your right, but you have allowed yourself to be drawn into a debate that has monopolized your posting as well. You have cast aspersions on others. You have received an infraction for this. While you have given a consideration to fairness, your bias is clear. You don't support Agel, and have had a bad experience with it. We get it.

What you are both doing now is not a benefit to anyone. Your positions are diametrically opposite each other, and clearly entrenched. Thus we have a stalemate that simply results in the rehashing of what is already in the thread. Teo, I don't care about his upline. I have Reprobate's experience which I can use to help me make any decisions on Agel. Reprobate, I don't care about the cost of an executive pack. I have Teo's experience which I can use to help me make any decisions about Agel. Enough is enough. Please stop baiting each other now or I will take further action.
Throwin

[Reprobate]

Throwin, post #32 is for the benefit of other readers. So they will understand the costs involved.

Not as bait, or to prove a point. I am not being critical of the costs.

Originally Posted by teo31313

I never stated that if you don't answer my question then your'e a....as you put it...try quoting an entire line and dont add to it...

And I didn't quote you as saying it.

[teo31313]

Ok I am done here at this board...and I will tell you why...I served for more than 20 years in the Special Forces , received 2 purple hearts and a silver star...I earned the right to say whatever the F..I want to whether it is here or elsewhere...FREEDOM of speech is a right I earned..did you earn your right to censor me??? How about if I start a thread titled "Deal of Day.com :Are there members Ethical and Honest?" or maybe "Deal of DAy.com: Are they fair and balanced?"...you see this is what I am talking about...there will probably be a little red mark stating "deleted by moderator" or this enitre post will be removed....

I looked back on this whole entire thread...look at the first comment...someone bashing Agel ...continue on down and then there is Jeff who is obviously promoting (maybe not overtly) his own company and how Agel is NOT a good choice and he backed up his opinion with--- more opinions not facts.

Then you have a couple of others latching on and handing out their own stories, which may or may not be true...It has been my experience that 95% of the people in MLM whether it is Amway, Nuskin, Excel, Mary Kay, or Agel...they fail because they fail themselves and DONT follow the system...

I beg of all of you to go and find one thread on any board anywhere in which a person currently in Agel is overtly bashing another company or saying that another companies opportunity is bad...there arent any...

Look back and look at the thread...until I showed up every post was Anti -Agel...well I am sorry that folks feel that way...My point of asking them what they do was to rip their profession just as they have ripped mine...and my point of that is there are bad people in business everywhere...I dont make a blanket statement about Olive Garden because the waiter was an a-hole...my argument would be with that person not Olive Garden...this is exactly what has happened here...

Things suggesting that I am mind controlled, or a cultic philopsophy, or suggesting that when the anesthesia wears off we will see...

If those statements in themselves are not inflammatory then I dont know what is...

I defended this country for 22 years, and wherever I was if someone bad mouthed this country I defended it with the same vigor that I defend my company. You fault me and try and denegrate me by making this out to be schoolyard argument...and painting me as an aggressor...

Look back on my posts, the guy had a problem with Mag-Packs and DVD's I gave him the address for him to solve his problem...Guy has a problem with his upline..well who is it..maybe he isnt aware that someone has a problem with him...dont hide behind a computer screen and bash someone publicly without showing them some respect and telling them to their face what your problem is...I simply dont understand why people dont own up to the level of complicity that they themselves have in their own success or lack of it.

I subscribe to the fact that welfare and social programs are BAD for this country because it produces a mantra of "You owe me because I am not successful" ...take control of your own lives, and take responsibility for your own action or non-action...the very first post actually comes from a guy in Australia who is with another MLM...He has never been in Agel and was trying to sabotage the company by posting that same message all over the internet...a lawsuit as I understand is pending and he has been forced out of his other company for the inflammatory comment he made.

I dont know if these people were ever actually in Agel or not--it DOES matter..if you are going to bash a company and discuss your BAD experience then you have to have facts...not opinion and inuendos...If you have a problem with your Upline...tell him...dont try and make a blanket indictment of the entire company because you have a bad experience...

I have people in my organization above me that I dont particularly care for and dont really want to do any business with them, but that doesnt affect me or my business because I am responsible for what happens to me...

In an earlier post someone claimed that the rules changed, I asked What rules...tell us all...and the insults began...My first post was preambled with "I know I will get flamed..."

This is exactly why I try and avoid these message boards it is a free for all of people so filled with disdain and anger about something that they fail to see past their own face for the real truth...

The truth about Agel is for me nothing but a positive one...if you have had a negative experience I simply asked for the evidence so that I might help..instead I got slammed by people who take a similar defensive position about hating this company...

If your experience was poor then I am sorry...i certainly wouldnt have the time nor the inclination to list all the times in my life in which something I purchased turned out to be less than what it was advertised or promoted...Before Agel I had never before been in an MLM... i did what they asked me to do which was invite my friends and family over to see what it is all about, some werent interested and some where and joined...now I get to work with my friends and family, people who I already like, so for me this is a great experience. I do the system as they asked me to because I wasnt afraid to do it...

I dont know what the future holds for many of you who will continue in some other fashion, message board, or scam site to post your message of disdain...but as far as I am concerned the other 20,000 that will read your messages will see clearly enough to what the true agenda is...

oh and I AM AGEL (at least until the money stops coming in)

[Throwin64]

Well, gentlemen, that's it. This thread is closed. Any more posts on this board from either of you on this topic will be deleted. It has nothing to do with censorship (this is NOT a public forum - you are members who agreed to certain rules when you signed up) or patriotism (as I am a Navy vet, CV-67), showing people what the business is about (most readers likely figured that out about 20 posts ago) or who's right and who's wrong. It's about you both putting your egos above everything else in a determined effort to either prove another wrong or bury them. That is not in keeping with the intent or spirit of this board. I hope you choose to redirect your energies here to friendly interactions with other members, but if you can't contribute to DoD in a positive, constructive manner, please allow me to invite you to exercise your right to terminate your membership.
Throwin

PS - Any member who does want more information on the company in question should private message the member of their choice. Do not open a new thread on this topic.