Is Agel honest and ethical?

[Reprobate]

Originally Posted by teo31313

I understand I will get flamed to no end on here now for posting a positive comment..since every thing else is filled with negativity...

Is there no middle ground? Is it black and white and no shades of grey? Why do you believe you are right and we are wrong?

While you paint my comments as being negative, are you also saying that they are incorrect?

You've had a good experience, bravo for you. And yet you'd be so blind to dismiss other peoples experiences or how hard they tried.

You understand that you will get flamed, yet you're so judgemental of others.

I have no doubts that the gung-ho attitude that you've displayed in this thread will make you go far. However I do feel sorry for anyone under you who may flounder.

If we don't like Agel or the products we are well within our right to discuss it. This is a message board. If you were to be a member of a forum and someone were to tell you that McDonalds food is of great nutritional value you would be within your right to refute it, and discuss and debate it.

Passing it by is an option. And certainly one that the less informed or unexperienced should do. But speaking from experience, I certainly can say what happened to me.

You've never used Customer Service... so why are you in here even mentioning that? You speak from no experience at all.

Are you aware that the site [Only registered and activated users can see links. Either login above or Register Now] has gone for 12 months without them putting in the shopping cart that they said was going to be up and operational by the time the product launched in Australia which was midway through last year?

Enjoy your success, but refrain from being the knight in shining armour who has come to protect the fair maiden Agel because a few people have honestly had problems.

[Reprobate]

Originally Posted by LE705

...and remember those guys in agel can change the rules of the game anytime they want to...

Which they have done.

[LE705]

Originally Posted by teo31313

First off how long did you give it?? 1 day?? 2 days?? then you quit...whats your reason...all you scammers come with this unethical garbage constantly but you never ever have a substantiated argument...

There are now over 100,000 people in Agel worldwide...I find it hard to believe that you are always right and all of them are wrong...

If it aint for you good...thanks for quitting so the rest of us can become successful...

I was successful in the Army (E-8 in 11 years)...(I retired as an E-9, nmade that in 15 years)...so for you to suggest that I am anything but successful is a farse.

I hate McDonalds food...its garbage...but I dont create a message board for the sole purpose of trying to destroy a company just because I got sick from it once....thats stupid and pointless...

If you dont like Agel or our products then pass it on by...whats you purpose for trying to destroy something because it didnt work for you...

Lastly, Customer Service...I have never ever called and the phone has not been answered...I have never heard of any of the over 230 people on our team ever having a problem...the one person that wanted out after 3 days got their money back(posted back to their CC) within 5 days...to suggest otherwise is to call me a liar and I am not...My integrity and ethical beliefs are as sound as when I was in the Army...

You call into question the fact that I say I am Agel....if you owned a company or a business of any kind I would consider you a fool not to promote it...if you owned a restraunt would you tell everyone to eat somewhere else...you points are stupid...

Try your dribble on someone that doesnt know any better...

I AM AGEL...AND I AM SUCCESSFUL

Wow, Maybe you should be out cultivating your successful business then getting all uptight and wasting your valuable time bickering on the internet. My comments on the problems with your customer service are based on fact and experience. If you take it personal that’s your problem. That’s what’s great about America; we are free to express our opinions. Isn’t that why you entered the military to fight for freedom and what is right.

What I can’t understand is why you are so sensitive and are taking this so personal. I'm criticizing Agel not you AND they have not, as of this date refunded over $1000.00 they owe and even today deducted more money, knowing that I did not authorize those deductions. These are facts, not dribble. I think the problem is that you can't separate yourself from the company, your identity is Agel. That’s fine, like I said this is America and if you derive satisfaction from identifying yourself as a product, all the luck to you.

Also I never questioned your success, you did. Why so defensive?, if you are so successful what do you care what people think and why do you need to keep telling people you are..

I really like your restaurant analogy also, sure it's normal to promote your business, but I have yet to see a true business person run around saying, “I am Taco Bell". In fact all of your above analogies really don't relate to the discussion on Agels lack of ethics. I believe there maybe a message board for those who think McDonalds is garbage, maybe you should try you argument there.

LE705
"I'm Not Agel"

[Reprobate]

I Am Agel is so last week.

Here's the latest dribble that I've seen as a sign-off: Choosing Success with Agel is the only answer...

[Promarketer]

teo31313,

You are right on the money my friend.

I was in a previous MLM for over 10 years and experienced only moderate success. Still holding on to the dream of residual income, my wife began looking for another biz-opp.

Then one day we saw that Randy Gage was getting back in the business and we filled out his landing-page never thinking in a million years that he would actually call us himself. We were huge fans of his and used his generic "Check Out the Biz" disk as a promo tool for our last business.

Well one day my phone rings and my caller ID says "Florida". I had no idea who it could have been calling from the Sunshine State so I picked it up and lo and behold it was Randy Gage himself. The funny thing is that he wasnt supposed to be calling the leads off that site but he said for some odd reason my name crossed his desk so he figured he would just give me a call.

I grilled him about Agel and the products coming from what I then thought was the greatest line of nutriceuticals on the face of the planet. He was professional and knew his stuff. After a few days of soul-searching we decided to join him and Agel.

Well, that was 15 months ago. Guess what has happened? As of this writing I have an organization of almost 1k people from the USA, Austrailia, Canada, Poland, Cech Republic and Slovakia. I make a full-time income and I am home to see my kids on the school bus and back off again in the afternoon. I just purchased a 3500 sq ft. house in Charlotte NC and thats just for starters.

Randy and I work closely together and I can tell you from experience that both he, Eric Worre, and Agel corporate have the UTMOST integrity. The ONLY problems Agel is experiencing right now is producing enough product to keep up with the huge customer demand. This is simply the greatest opportunity in the world today when you take all the factors into consideration. And seriously, to say that Agel won't be around in five years is laughable. We were already offered 11 million dollars for the rights to the product idea months ago and we turned it down. Also, there are MLM's that don't do a fraction of what Agel is doing in sales and some have been around for decades. This company is solid as a rock. For heaven's sake, we have a blank check from Ash Capital a billion dollar investment firm and to this point we haven't had to use ANY of the back-up funding! So successful are we that two major MLM companies have already switched from unilevel pay-plans to almost EXACT COPIES of Agel's Quadra-Plan.

So for those who have had a negative experience with Agel, you may want to re-examine your conclusions. Deleted By Moderator. Randy and I are still looking for leaders and we would love to lock arms and make what happened for me, happen for you too.

All The Best!
Bob Gallo
YUP...I AM AGEL TOO!

[Reprobate]

Originally Posted by Promarketer

So for those who have had a negative experience with Agel, you may want to re-examine your conclusions.

Originally Posted by Reprobate

Are you aware that the site [Only registered and activated users can see links. Either login above or Register Now] has gone for 12 months without them putting in the shopping cart that they said was going to be up and operational by the time the product launched in Australia which was midway through last year?

For those of you who have had a good experience with Agel can you not be so blind to see that we have legitimate complaints?

Obviously I have done something wrong as to why they can't install a shopping cart.

Obviously I had done something wrong as to why they took months to deliver paraphenalia, and far too long to deliver product. Yes, I chased it up. That's when I learnt just how sloppy Customer Service is and a few home truths about my upline.

Obviously I had done something wrong that when my wife had made an enquiry about something that we could do in relation to Agel we found out that the goalposts had been moved. I understand that company policies can change, but this was to the huge advantage to the company. And completely squashing something that was allowed to members at the start.

I am not trying to dissuade you from Agel. I am however telling another side to the story. A story that Sergeant Major Teo feels very strongly that we shouldn't tell.

Out of curiosity, just how did you find this forum and this thread?

[LE705]

Originally Posted by Reprobate

For those of you who have had a good experience with Agel can you not be so blind to see that we have legitimate complaints?

Obviously I have done something wrong as to why they can't install a shopping cart.

Obviously I had done something wrong as to why they took months to deliver paraphenalia, and far too long to deliver product. Yes, I chased it up. That's when I learnt just how sloppy Customer Service is and a few home truths about my upline.

Obviously I had done something wrong that when my wife had made an enquiry about something that we could do in relation to Agel we found out that the goalposts had been moved. I understand that company policies can change, but this was to the huge advantage to the company. And completely squashing something that was allowed to members at the start.

I am not trying to dissuade you from Agel. I am however telling another side to the story. A story that Sergeant Major Teo feels very strongly that we shouldn't tell.

Out of curiosity, just how did you find this forum and this thread?

It appears that the Serge, who is now blogging McDonalds, has some support. I think promarketer should be proud of himself. Because the truth of the matter is that he is more the exception then the rule and a professional marketer as his handle suggest. If these MLM's were so easy, everyone would be enduring their paradigm. Although, Promarketer is in a good position as far as the hierarchy goes. Those who fill in the bottom, for the most part will be regulated to consumption and pursuing the ever elusive carrot. Which is attainable, but a lot more difficult then they would like you to believe, when you first sign up.

As far as Randy Gage is concerned he also is a professional marketer and enlisted the assistance, by recruitment, of people with a lot of MLM experience. But just like anything else those who have not paid their dues are going to take their lumps before they taste the fruits of success. Not that they won’t be successful, but it’s a lot more difficult then that DVD implies. It’s that type of misleading marketing for one example, that discourages those who are new to the MLM game and in time causes their eventual discouragement with the company. That’s why it’s extremely important for this type of company to keep the emotional excitement to a very high level, hence, “I am Agel”. It’s like a mantra and helps to keep the excitement at a higher level. Your either with them or against them, there is no middle ground. That type of cultic philosophy is what concerns me more than anything. Because once the anesthesia wears off and the reality hits, it becomes a full time job just to maintain. Although, there are people who function well under that kind of system and all the best to them. But like I said before it's not for everyone.

I agree with you reprobate, that the company has customer service issues. I know that you are familiar with my plight, well they still owe me money and continue to send me boxes of DVD’s and magazine that I have to in turn send back, while they still deduct money from my CC. This being over a month since I notified them to cancel my account. They just won’t let me go, lol.

Respectfully Submitted,
LE705

[Promarketer]

Thanks for the kudos LE705,

Being sponsored by Randy Gage gave me the opportunity to be trained by him..that's all. Do you know how many people I got in spillover from him????

"0" That's right...zero, ziltch, nada, nothing..... I built my entire organization myself.

But I agree this industry as a whole promotes easy money and that couldn't be further from the truth. We are trying to build multi-million dollar businesses here. EARNING THAT KIND OF INCOME ISN'T SUPPOSED TO BE EASY! I tell all my people what it's going to take from the start. Whether or not they act upon my recommendations is up to them. The problem lies with people who do NOTHING then blame it on the company and the industry. Happens all the time.

Reprobate, I am not blind as you suggest and I am not saying everything that happened to you is your fault...(although according to the law of attraction it may very well be). What I am saying is that I find it hard to believe that you could not get any help from Agel customer service which I find to be excellent. And with an organization of my size, if it wasn't...I'd hear about it

Well Those are the facts as I see it.... You experience may vary

[Reprobate]

Originally Posted by Promarketer

Reprobate, I am not blind as you suggest and I am not saying everything that happened to you is your fault...(although according to the law of attraction it may very well be). What I am saying is that I find it hard to believe that you could not get any help from Agel customer service which I find to be excellent. And with an organization of my size, if it wasn't...I'd hear about it

Well Those are the facts as I see it.... You experience may vary

You don't have to believe me. Just be open minded enough to realise that someone elses personal experience can vary from your own.

Teo is blinded by his own brilliance. While none of us said "we are right, you are wrong" we did say "this is what has happened to me". he can't dispute it. Sure he can call us names (not sure who he called a scammer or why) but it's nothing short of idiotic to respond to someone sharing an honest experience by misquoting it and backing it up with 100,000 people who all apparently are right.

You on the other hand Promarketer haven't resorted to insults.

Teo takes a hardline. It didn't work? You're a quitter! You're a failure!!!

But Promarketer takes a different approach. A softer approach. An invitation to talk about it and figure out how to make it work.

Thanks for the offer, but honestly, I have plenty of reasons, good reasons, documented reasons, to not want to give Agel another shot.

I still don't understand why a simple shopping cart hasn't been installed, as promised, to the iamagel.com site.

I've got good reason as to why I needed their online store to be operational.

Yes I've asked. Sometimes I had to follow up my question because Customer Service either didn't reply (and I'm not talking days, but weeks) or replied to one question and didn't reply to the other. And mind you I know how to ask a question. Often before signing off saying: "And in summing up..." and putting the list of specific questions.

[teo31313]

I would really like to hear about the exact gripes you people have...what did the company change that fked you...

If you pinned your hopes and dreams on a replicated website, than I think you have just divulged to all of us your complete and total amateurish attitude...(a replicated site, yeah that tells me alot about what you know about the internet)

What exactly did you find out about your upline?? In fact who was your sponsor, perhaps he/she doesnt know about your disdain, Please tell all of us, stop keeping secrets...

also the DVD's and mag packs are not sold by Agel...they are sold by a completely different company...so you ARE WRONG in accusing Agel of that...
Here is the address you need to address your concerns about the DVD's and Mag Packs to:

AgelBusinessTools
200 Swisher Road
Lake Dallas, TX 75065
USA
ATTN: Customer Support
[Only registered and activated users can see links. Either login above or Register Now]


My start up kit arrived in 5 days, everyone of my people also had their product within 3-5 days(its UPS so its guarenteed, in case you didnt know), so again not an experience endured by the masses, its seems quite isolated...

There are also holes in your entire argument

I also find nothing at all misleading about the DVD...and if you arent in Agel what are you doing with a DVD in the first place..( looking for ideas on success for your own company???)

I used to own a franchise business, guess what they took $35,000 of my money up front, never gave me any support, they didnt tell me I was going to fail and flounder in a year and they wanted me to say their slogan all the time...I guess they are also a rip off...hmmm i guess the whole business world is a rip off...BTW the Company I owned was a Jiffy Lube

Total investment: $273K
Franchise fee: $35K -NON-REFUNDABLE
Ongoing royalty fee: to 5%
Renewal fee: $17.5K every year


You people have no debate on here not one valid point has been made about what is wrong with Agel...its all inuendo and opinion...you tell me that I am wrong because i have positive experiences with them and then you glorify the guy that has bad ones...you seem to have an agenda as if you are with another MLM company...

Why is it that only the Agel peoples profession is known...why not divulge your own professions...what are you hiding???

If you would simply answer the questions and quit being evasive and exactly and succinctly describe your problems and back it up with facts...

I tell you what LE705, give me your Agel account number and name and I will call Customer Service for you, and then lets see what the real story is...if you dont give me those items you are obviously a fraud, which is what I think you are...I dont think you were ever in Agel and you are just complaining about nothing...so lets have it whats your acct number...I can find out when you enrolled and if its been longer then 30 days, guess what you lose because if you read the contract as everyone is instructed to do, you would have seen that after 30 days no refunds are possible.

And I know the next line, 30 days and No Refund...No other company does that....only Agel..yep you got it Agel is the only company in the world with a Refund policy...

[Reprobate]

Originally Posted by teo31313

I would really like to hear about the exact gripes you people have...what did the company change that fked you...

If you pinned your hopes and dreams on a replicated website, than I think you have just divulged to all of us your complete and total amateurish attitude...(a replicated site, yeah that tells me alot about what you know about the internet)

I only need to quote as far as the second paragraph.

Who owns iamagel.com?

Yeah, that tells me a lot about what a complete tool you are.

Why should I then go on and describe in every detail what happened? How are you going to help me? How could you possibly fix something that you have no influence over?

All I can expect from you is more blather and BS.

[Reprobate]

Originally Posted by teo31313

There are also holes in your entire argument

It would help if you didn't lump two or three people into the one persona. As I had nothing to say about the DVD. Obviously you overlooked this.

So in fact there are holes in your entire response. You can't keep on topic. You also took offense to someone suggesting you are anything but successful.

Who said that?

Maybe you imagined it.

It does help if you are going to discuss or hotly debate to keep to what's actually written in the thread.

Use the QUOTE function. It's quite handy.

But please be aware that whatever pull and authority you once had as an E-9 has no bearing here. You can't order or command us to disclose any personal details.

[Throwin64]

Gentlemen, I think that is about enough of the name calling and insults. If you wish to have a discourse/debate on the merits of Agel, by all means please do so. However, this is degenerating rapidly into an inane flame war, and it's going to stop now. I am giving a minor infraction apiece to Teo and Reprobate. Any more name calling and/or insults and I'll increase the infractions. You both present yourselves as grown, experienced men. Please conduct yourselves as such. Thank you in advance for your cooperation.
Throwin

[Reprobate]

Originally Posted by Throwin64

Gentlemen, I think that is about enough of the name calling and insults. If you wish to have a discourse/debate on the merits of Agel, by all means please do so. However, this is degenerating rapidly into an inane flame war, and it's going to stop now. I am giving a minor infraction apiece to Teo and Reprobate. Any more name calling and/or insults and I'll increase the infractions. You both present yourselves as grown, experienced men. Please conduct yourselves as such. Thank you in advance for your cooperation.
Throwin

My apologies.

Can you also impress upon teo31313 that demands for a members personal details is unacceptable.

[teo31313]

I look back on this thread and I really wonder why I even bothered...I guess that some people anger me so much because they blame everyone else for their failures...let go of your victim mentality...you and you alone control the destiny of yourself and your business

I dont blame Jiffy Lube for my failure...I failed thats it... I am now out over $250,000...so what I moved on...

Agel has been nothing but a positive experience for me...I went for 4 months without one person signing up...but I didnt quit because I beleived in myself and what I was doing...

So lets do this...we will take each dispute one by one and dissect it...maybe we can get to the bottom of what the real problem is...

Obviously I had done something wrong as to why they took months to deliver paraphenalia, and far too long to deliver product. Yes, I chased it up. That's when I learnt just how sloppy Customer Service is and a few home truths about my upline.

What truths about your upline? Be specific...

If you can't respond and answer the above question in detail then its obvious that there is juts some whining going on...

Lets just start with that one...I will enjoy hearing about this...