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Old 08-07-2007, 10:22 PM
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Re: WMDs and The Psychology of Fanaticism, part 2

I don't get it? Every step of the way I questioned the so called "evidence" of Iraq's nuclear program, WMD, and chemical and biological weapons W, Dick and Ms. Rice claimed, I did the questioning publicly here on DoD. What did I get for it? Nasty name calling just like you are doing now.

Also, most threads that were started by the Republicans on this board in regards to further the war propaganda effort were removed after I pointed out how factually inaccurate they were. But the White House kept making new claims, Republicans kept posting them on DoD, I kept rebutting, and you kept name calling. Who was right about the lead up to the war, anyway?

First, let's address your "several other countries" claim by seeing what someone on the inside has repeatedly stated;

"Republican-led rebuttal are statements made by Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who noted that 'every intelligence agency in the world, including the Russian, French, including the Israeli, all had reached the same conclusion, and that was that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.'

But this is disingenuous. The intelligence services of everyone else were not proclaiming Iraq to be in possession of WMD. Rather, the intelligence services of France, Russia, Germany, Great Britain and Israel were noting that Iraq had failed to properly account for the totality of its past proscribed weapons programs, and in doing so left open the possibility that Iraq might retain an undetermined amount of WMD. There is a huge difference in substance and nuance between such assessments and the hyped-up assertions by the Bush administration concerning active programs dedicated to the reconstitution of WMD, as well as the existence of massive stockpiles of forbidden weaponry."
Scott Ritter, former UN Weapons Inspector

Got it?

To continue to address this falsehood that several other countries thought so, foreign intelligence officers all over Europe and the middle east reported back to the United States claims made by the White House were highly suspect, unreliable, or down right wrong. Two separate investigations, one by the Italian government, the other by an Italian newspaper, both declared the Niger documents fake months before the President made the yellowcake claim during the State of the Union address. The Italian government was even able to track the document's letterhead to an embassy burglary the year before. The German government continued to report to the CIA "curveball" was at best "unstable and unreliable" about his statements to the German government concerning Iraq's alleged mobile chemical labs and weapons factories. As you recall, the CIA removed "curveball's" claims from Powell's UN speech only the have the White House re-insert it.

Russian government scientists wrote the CIA about false claims the President made about the end use of aluminum tubing. No neighbor of Iraq reported to the United Nations any suspicion of a growing nuclear, biological or chemical arsenal before the President started to talk about it.

The president claimed a Swiss report was about to be released concerning Iraq's new nuclear program; the Swiss government said they were unaware of any such report.

Do you feel better informed now, Jesk?

Like a few years ago, you continue to blame the liberal media for bad news or news not in step with the White House's claims. Ridiculous; did the liberal news media cause the death of 3,600 American soldiers, includeing six yesterday? Is it the liberal media that is responsible for 65,000 wounded soldiers? Is it the liberal media's fault that humvee's were not equipped to handle roadside bombs? Is it the liberal media's fault we have a civil war in Iraq? "How's that "greeted as liberators" thing going anyway? Where is the "freedom" in Iraq you speak of? What is "Freedom" for Iraq? It can't be a goal, by definition. Where is that "laser-like focus on Terrorism" you attributed to Bush a few years ago? Where is Osama? The president has said he doesn't give it much thought; do you?

By the way, Osama and Saddam had no working relationship. Al qaeda was not in Iraq befor the invasion, and the Iraqi government was not sponsoring al qaeda. I made these claims on DoD back in the day, remember, or are you still to busy with your Republican, carefully worded, talking points?

I think McCain blew it with the flak (or flack) jacket press statement in Iraq claiming the streets were safe. Really a bad visual, don't'cha think?

I think the Christian Science mmonitor pretty well explained Bush's welcoming in Albainia here http://www.csm.com/repository/site/default.aspx

It is good to have you back Jesk, we needed a boost of that Republican propaganda to stir things up around here. Thanks for posting, but newsmax.com is calling you now.

Bubye.
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